So, the question is - can Gunboat equipped with one of the titles clear Blinded Pilot condition while having a Weapons Disabled token? I tend to think that the answer is "yes", but it's in a gray area, especially for missile boats.

Relevant wordings:

Blinded Pilot: You cannot perform attacks. After your next opportunity to attack (even if there was no target for an attack), flip this card facedown.

XG-1 Assault Configuration: Your upgrade bar gains 2 icons. You may perform attacks with (cannon) secondary weapons that cost 2 or fewer points even while you have a weapons disabled token.

Os-1 Arsenal Loadout: Your upgrade bar gains the and icons. You may perform attacks with (missile) and (torpedo) secondary weapons against ships you have locked even while you have a weapons disabled token.

I want to say there was an FAQ about blinded pilot and that it cannot be cleared when you don't have the option to shoot at all, such as from weapons disabled, cloaked, etc. However, since the XG and OS titles allow you to attack while you have the WD token, it should allow you to clear blinded pilot as you do have the option and opportunity to make an attack, regardless of how restricted that attack might be.

Hypothetically, if you didn't have a target lock or target locked an out of arc ship with the OS title or didn't have a 2 pt or less cannon with the XG title, I think you would still be able to clear the blinded pilot. You still have the opportunity to make the attack and are not limited from attacking by the WD token, but certain other restrictions left you with no viable targets or weapons. Just my 2 cents.

4 minutes ago, Jimbawa said:

I want to say there was an FAQ about blinded pilot and that it cannot be cleared when you don't have the option to shoot at all, such as from weapons disabled, cloaked, etc. However, since the XG and OS titles allow you to attack while you have the WD token, it should allow you to clear blinded pilot as you do have the option and opportunity to make an attack, regardless of how restricted that attack might be.

Hypothetically, if you didn't have a target lock or target locked an out of arc ship with the OS title or didn't have a 2 pt or less cannon with the XG title, I think you would still be able to clear the blinded pilot. You still have the opportunity to make the attack and are not limited from attacking by the WD token, but certain other restrictions left you with no viable targets or weapons. Just my 2 cents.

I'm pretty sure just having the titles probably would allow you to clear the blinded. You can use Snap Shot to do it even if the enemy isn't in range one, this would basically be the same.

Yes, but you'd have to discard the missile to do it if applicable, would be my reading, I think.

But it's the kind of question we can't answer for sure, it's ambiguous and could be ruled either way.

6 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Yes, but you'd have to discard the missile to do it if applicable, would be my reading, I think.

But it's the kind of question we can't answer for sure, it's ambiguous and could be ruled either way.

No, you only need the opportunity to attack, not to perform one. The "even if there was no target for attack" supports this.

All that happens is the card flips if the gunboat has the title.

Now that i think on it a little bit more though, is the os1 title dependant on having non discarded missiles?

RAI seems clear, but is raw worded well enough?

Yes. You can't perform attacks with discarded upgrades.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

Yes. You can't perform attacks with discarded upgrades.

Not so sure of that. As Ralgon said, you only need the opportunity to attack. "I could have attacked if only I had a face-up munitions card" is still an opportunity to attack that you didn't have the resources to capitalise on. otherwise, not having a valid target would also prevent clearing blinded pilot, which it doesn't.

That seems specious. If you have Weapons Disabled, you don't have the opportunity to attack. Unless, in the case of OS1, you have a valid missile or torp to use.

22 minutes ago, InquisitorM said:

Not so sure of that. As Ralgon said, you only need the opportunity to attack. "I could have attacked if only I had a face-up munitions card" is still an opportunity to attack that you didn't have the resources to capitalise on. otherwise, not having a valid target would also prevent clearing blinded pilot, which it doesn't.

Edit: bad info originally posted, i reread the faq and found an entries.....

It seems @thespaceinvader is right IF you're using the original damage deck. That crit requires the attack be performed and as such the gunboat would need to spend it's ordnance

The TFA blinded pilot is a whole different beast, however the faq allows this

18 minutes ago, Ralgon said:

Edit: bad info originally posted, I reread the faq and found an entry.....

A ship that has a weapons disabled token or is overlapping an asteroid does not get an opportunity to attack during the Combat phase and therefore cannot turn Blinded Pilot facedown.

If a ship gets an opportunity to attack from a card effect (such as Dengar or Corran Horn), that ship can resolve one of those abilities and flips Blinded Pilot facedown.

A ship with this card cannot trigger Advanced Cloaking Device, Darth Vader (crew), Gunner, Feedback Array,etc., as the ship cannot perform attacks.

Um... that seems to show you were right...

6 minutes ago, InquisitorM said:

Um... that seems to show you were right...

edited edit, plz read above with my apologies. for completeness both entries.

Original

A ship with Blinded Pilot assigned to it must perform an attack in order to flip this card facedown.

A ship with Blinded Pilot assigned to it may still use abilities that trigger after performing an attack, such as Darth Vader, Gunner, and Luke Skywalker, even though no attack dice are rolled.

A ship with two copies of Blinded Pilot assigned to it flips them both facedown after it performs an attack.

TFA

A ship that has a weapons disabled token or is overlapping an asteroid does not get an opportunity to

attack during the Combat phase and therefore cannot turn Blinded Pilot facedown.

If a ship gets an opportunity to attack from a card effect (such as Dengar or Corran Horn), that ship can

resolve one of those abilities and flips Blinded Pilot facedown.

A ship with this card cannot trigger Advanced Cloaking Device, Darth Vader (crew), Gunner,Feedback Array, etc., as the ship cannot perform attacks.




Just to really confuse the issue

1 minute ago, Ralgon said:

edited edit, plz read above. for completeness both entries.

Original

A ship with Blinded Pilot assigned to it must perform an attack in order to flip this card facedown.

A ship with Blinded Pilot assigned to it may still use abilities that trigger after performing an attack, such

as Darth Vader, Gunner, and Luke Skywalker, even though no attack dice are rolled.

A ship with two copies of Blinded Pilot assigned to it flips them both facedown after it performs an attack.

TFA

A ship that has a weapons disabled token or is overlapping an asteroid does not get an opportunity to

attack during the Combat phase and therefore cannot turn Blinded Pilot facedown.

If a ship gets an opportunity to attack from a card effect (such as Dengar or Corran Horn), that ship can

resolve one of those abilities and flips Blinded Pilot facedown.

A ship with this card cannot trigger Advanced Cloaking Device, Darth Vader (crew), Gunner,Feedback Array,

etc., as the ship cannot perform attacks.

Maybe I'm being dumb, but you're going to have to point out what you think is relevant.

Yeah, OK. Either way you get to clear the crit only if you have a face up missile to use, and something locked, for the old deck you have to discard it, for the new you don't.

This will need FAQing.

Just now, InquisitorM said:

Maybe I'm being dumb, but you're going to have to point out what you think is relevant.

The original requires that a full attack be preformed with no dice rolled. That means paying any relevant costs (in the case of an os1 a missile/torpedo and any relevant tokens)

The TFA only requires the opportunity arise

6 minutes ago, Ralgon said:

The original requires that a full attack be preformed with no dice rolled. That means paying any relevant costs (in the case of an os1 a missile/torpedo and any relevant tokens)

The TFA only requires the opportunity arise

Sure. I thought that was the case you were making to begin with?

8 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Yeah, OK. Either way you get to clear the crit only if you have a face up missile to use, and something locked, for the old deck you have to discard it, for the new you don't.

This will need FAQing.

Why would you need a missile to use? The title grants you the opportunity to attack. Whether you have the means to use it not is irrelevant. That much is already set in stone via not needing a valid target, as I said above.

I would say that it doesn't offer you the opportunity to attack unless you have a missile to attack with.

Your upgrade bar gains the and icons.

You may perform attacks with and secondary weapons against ships you have locked even while you have a weapons disabled token.

If you don't equip any ordnance secondaries, you never get the opportunity to attack through Weapons Disabled. You can't do it. So unless you've got one equipped the title doesn't offer you the opportunity to attack - otherwise, anyone could clear TFA Blind with Weapons Disabled.

32 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

If you don't equip any ordnance secondaries, you never get the opportunity to attack through Weapons Disabled. You can't do it. So unless you've got one equipped the title doesn't offer you the opportunity to attack - otherwise, anyone could clear TFA Blind with Weapons Disabled.

But that's like saying that if you don't have a ship in arc you never get the chance to attack, and we know that isn't the case.

No it's not.

If you have Weapons Disabled, you never get an opportunity to attack. OS1 gives you one, but only with Missile and Torp Secondaries, and you therefore only GET it if you have one of those secondaries. Otherwise the Weapons Disabled overrides OS1.

But yeah, this needs FAQing. So perhaps we coudl agree to differ at this point.

Rules on cards trump rules in the book. The title says I get an opportunity to attack, therefore the card turns down even if I had no legal way to attack. There's no reason I shouldn't get a declare target step just because we know ahead of time there's nothing to shoot.

5 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

That seems specious. If you have Weapons Disabled, you don't have the opportunity to attack. Unless, in the case of OS1, you have a valid missile or torp to use.

According to the Blinded Pilot card, "opportunity to attack" seems to mean "It is this ship's turn to attack in terms of PS order, even if there is something preventing it from doing so".

So Weapons Disabled, no target in arc (given as example on the crit card) don't appear to matter. It was the ship's opportunity in terms of turn order, even if it wasn't an opportunity in terms of actually getting to perform an attack.

Except WD does stop you clearing TfA Blind.

11 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Except WD does stop you clearing TfA Blind.

If that's the case, then that seems like a bit of an inconsistency to me.

Ruling that you CAN clear it when there isn't even a target but you CAN'T when your weapons are disabled seems arbitrary.

It should be both or neither. But if that's the ruling, fair enough.

It is as far as I know, yes. WD means you don't get an opportunity to attack at all.

But this interaction will need FAQing either way.

5 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

No it's not.

If you have Weapons Disabled, you never get an opportunity to attack. OS1 gives you one, but only with Missile and Torp Secondaries, and you therefore only GET it if you have one of those secondaries. Otherwise the Weapons Disabled overrides OS1.

But yeah, this needs FAQing. So perhaps we coudl agree to differ at this point.

Yup, I also think OS1 will require a FAQ or at least a ruling at some point.

My current reading is that OS1 boat would require to have a target lock on someone (as it is a condition on the title that provides the opportunity to attack with weapons disabled) but would not need to have any secondary weapons available (as weapons selection happens within attack sequence/after measuring range, so the discovery that there is no valid weapon for the attack would happen there, i.e. opportunity to attack would've been present). This may be against RAI, so it may end up being ruled/FAQ'd a different way, but my reading of RAW leads to this result.