Dash and Miranda might reign supreme for a while, but kylo has the potential to wreck both.

Miranda may be balanced, Miranda with a TLT is not balanced. The TLT allows her to keep regenerating but still have a decent shot of doing at least 1 damage. They should add some nerf with her interaction with TLT. Maybe even so far as to make her ability only work with her primary weapon.

The problem isn't Miranda, it's her overpowered toys.

She's got TLT, she got SLAM Cluster Mines, and she got Harpoon Missile. Whichever is flavour of the month she's always right up there as one of the best platforms for it.

9 minutes ago, Sparklelord said:

I don't think that's necessarily true.

I think that that particular 1 on 1 goes to time in most tournament matches, and since there's precious little else on the Imperial roster that enjoys seeing TLTs, it'll come down to a contest of points killed.

7 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Yup. Fel versus Miranda is a match Fel should lose about 90% of the time, because Miranda can either regen any damage he;s done or SLAM to a place he can't shoot her most of the time, whereas his green dice will fail him eventually, and bomblets will catch him eventually, and unlike her, his hit points are limited and final...

I mean, 40ish point ship vs 34-35 point ship, she should win most of the time, but if she starts a bit wounded, it's close. Compare this to previous popular builds. It becomes a more manageable game for the ace.

7 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Yup. Fel versus Miranda is a match Fel should lose about 90% of the time, because Miranda can either regen any damage he;s done or SLAM to a place he can't shoot her most of the time, whereas his green dice will fail him eventually, and bomblets will catch him eventually, and unlike her, his hit points are limited and final...

I wouldn't look at that as an immediate end-game scenario. I'd look at the entire list. Plus, Bomblets can't catch Soontir, he has to bumble into them.

8 minutes ago, MaxPower said:

Dash and Miranda might reign supreme for a while, but kylo has the potential to wreck both.

Which is why I keep practicing Determination Rey w/ Miranda!

So make TLT only available as the only secondary weapon. TLT by itself is not that bad, annoying as heck, but not OP. TLT added with all the other weapons is where it gets bad.

1 hour ago, Hannes Solo said:

The question is why didn't they nerf TLT to the ground. Miranda isn't that bad. She is one of the more balanced shield recharge abilitys.

Her +1 die -1 shield / -1 die +1 shield needs to get nerfed by tying it to her primary weapon.

1 minute ago, BlodVargarna said:

Her +1 die -1 shield / -1 die +1 shield needs to get nerfed by tying it to her primary weapon.

What about forcing the -1 for both tlt shots to get the regen? (Of course I don’t want the flip side of that: -1 shield for two 4 dice attacks).

1 hour ago, Stay On The Leader said:

Correlation is sometimes causation after all.

Much like Expose, which is never the answer, your statement above is never the answer.

44 minutes ago, Jo Jo said:

Miranda may be balanced, Miranda with a TLT is not balanced. The TLT allows her to keep regenerating but still have a decent shot of doing at least 1 damage. They should add some nerf with her interaction with TLT. Maybe even so far as to make her ability only work with her primary weapon.

We live in a world where ordinance is a thing.

(Until the whiners get the GC nerf I am sure they will start asking for, ordinance is going to happily be a thing.)

You nuke her. She dies.

Quit asking for nerfs, people!

45 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

The problem isn't Miranda, it's her overpowered toys.

She's got TLT, she got SLAM Cluster Mines, and she got Harpoon Missile. Whichever is flavour of the month she's always right up there as one of the best platforms for it.

Ionize her. She's a much more tame tigress.

6 minutes ago, Scopes said:

Much like Expose, which is never the answer, your statement above is never the answer.

Wut

21 minutes ago, Cusm said:

So make TLT only available as the only secondary weapon. TLT by itself is not that bad, annoying as heck, but not OP. TLT added with all the other weapons is where it gets bad.

Mira only needs TLT to be strong. Plus note that bombs are not secondary weapons...

8 minutes ago, hawk32 said:

Wut

WRT nerfing XWM...

my opinion, anyhoo.

I think the timing is what I have the most issue with. I’m good with her working the way she does if a thimble of common sense was forced on the ability. If you want boost power to weapons by sapping a shield I get that it should be instant. It’s a charge based system releasing a controlled burst giving it a surge should increase the power.

Shields though not so much. If she wants to regen a shield by diverting weapon power ok but there is no logical way it should be instant. It would overload the grid because that is a sustained not burst energy system. My answer would be you take the minus 1 to weapons then NEXT turn after movement you get the shield token and can’t redirect that turn. Makes her regen every other turn and a lot closer to the power curve.

All of this based on imaginary physics of course but it does make sense.

17 minutes ago, Scopes said:

We live in a world where ordinance is a thing.

(Until the whiners get the GC nerf I am sure they will start asking for, ordinance is going to happily be a thing.)

You nuke her. She dies.

Quit asking for nerfs, people!

That's a lot easier said than done. I do think the Biggs nerf will sort of help, but you can still run Biggs and really throw off an Alpha Strike list.

19 minutes ago, Scopes said:

We live in a world where ordinance is a thing.

(Until the whiners get the GC nerf I am sure they will start asking for, ordinance is going to happily be a thing.)

You nuke her. She dies.

Quit asking for nerfs, people!

Lowhhrick is really bad, nobody runs him with Miranda at all.

1 hour ago, Jo Jo said:

The TLT allows her to keep regenerating but still have a decent shot of doing at least 1 damage.

Brought out classic Soontir Fel for first time in ages - PTL, Stealth, Autothrusters with Ryad and Tomax Bren. TLT Miranda got one damage on him - all game and only a couple on Bren (thanks to Lightweight Frame). Then I swapped sides. I managed to get two damage with Miranda on Fel. I don’t like playing against her most of the time but she’s not in nerf territory IMO even with TLT.

1 hour ago, Celestial Lizards said:

Why didn't TLT get nerfed? Because there had to be something to make TIE Aggressors usable.

So we need to deal with the miserable experience that is TLT so 1 ship is competitive even though we have no evidence it wouldn’t have any use with a correctly priced/nerfed TLT?

I sure hope this isn’t FFGs thinking.

But going along with others, I agree it’s baffling they hit so many things without even brushing up against TLT.

Miranda is a pain in the backside and the bane of my life, but how do you nerf her without completely crippling the k-wing? Acceptable collateral damage in my mind but some people like them. Something like “before the first time you attack this round you may... [miranda’s ability] ...if you do you can not attack again this round” maybe?

1 hour ago, SnooSnarry said:

Lowhhrick is really bad, nobody runs him with Miranda at all.

Cause Jan Ors (crew) broke Miranda before? Lowhhrick being able to contribute 1 Evade token per round doesn't mean all that much when she only has 1 Agility.

Burn the witch.

1 minute ago, kris40k said:

Cause Jan Ors (crew) broke Miranda before? Lowhhrick being able to contribute 1 Evade token per round doesn't mean all that much when she only has 1 Agility.

Burn the witch.

Lowhhrick + selflessness is way better than Jan Ors.

1 hour ago, Sasajak said:

Brought out classic Soontir Fel for first time in ages - PTL, Stealth, Autothrusters with Ryad and Tomax Bren. TLT Miranda got one damage on him - all game and only a couple on Bren (thanks to Lightweight Frame). Then I swapped sides. I managed to get two damage with Miranda on Fel. I don’t like playing against her most of the time but she’s not in nerf territory IMO even with TLT.

This. I've run Miranda a LOT. She doesn't pump damage into stuff with 3 evade dice, she just doesn't. She's usually only going to have a single mod on one of the TLT shots and if it's a regen shot, it's even worse. To take out AT Aces, x/7 defenders, BroBots, etc., she needs help from the rest of the list. She can pull of shields for more dice, but that's a serious gamble with TLT, likely with only TL or Focus for mods, seldom both. I'd prefer not to think about the number of times I've pulled off a shield for a 4-dice attack, only to have it still whiff.

As a Miranda player, I'm very sad to see a possible resurgence of aces and/or defenders. They're not locked up with Miranda, she's locked up with them.

1 minute ago, SnooSnarry said:

Lowhhrick + selflessness is way better than Jan Ors.

True, Selflessness does give a decent bump in survivability of whomever you are targeting in a damage race.

34 minutes ago, gennataos said:

This. I've run Miranda a LOT. She doesn't pump damage into stuff with 3 evade dice, she just doesn't. She's usually only going to have a single mod on one of the TLT shots and if it's a regen shot, it's even worse. To take out AT Aces, x/7 defenders, BroBots, etc., she needs help from the rest of the list. She can pull of shields for more dice, but that's a serious gamble with TLT, likely with only TL or Focus for mods, seldom both. I'd prefer not to think about the number of times I've pulled off a shield for a 4-dice attack, only to have it still whiff.

As a Miranda player, I'm very sad to see a possible resurgence of aces and/or defenders. They're not locked up with Miranda, she's locked up with them.

I really don't understand why she still doesn't just plop a Cluster Mine in front of them, if they're such a problem.