10 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

If she was 30-32 points, she'd easily be a "B" tier generalist.

6 points would take her from F to B? F definitely seems too low. You're putting her on the same level as Konstantine.

Konstantine.

She deserves to be at least D by that reasoning alone! You at least get to use her ability, even if there are other ways to get a simulacrum of it at a competitive price.

I totally get that you're accounting for both strength and niche-ness on the same spectrum, which weights some commanders, and makes comparisons less direct; but there's no way Leia's niche build requirements push her to Konstantine's level.

34 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

The biggest beef I have with Leia is that cost. For 3 command value ships, Garm + Asoka is 11 points cheaper, for the same net effect. ****, slapping Comms Net on a flotilla you took just for activations and taking Dodonna is 16 points cheaper for the same effect, and I can bank tokens and use them all on the same turn in either case.

The only thing she legitimately makes better are flotilla squadron pushers, and Hammerhead spam, and Cracken does the later of the two better. You know what I could have taken instead of Leia to get +1 squadron out of my 2 flotillas? Dodonna and another flotilla.

If she was 30-32 points, she'd easily be a "B" tier generalist.

What about Nebulons? She does them all pretty dang good. And she really doesn't WANT command 3 ships, they're too many points for her to get the best use of her abilities. She's great with CR90s, Nebulons, Hammerheads, and flotillas. You don't WANT to go crazy squadron spam with her, you're ignoring like 3 other commands. Navigating like crazy to get into position, con firing with the reroll is SUPER good, engineering to get rid of straight up damage, etc.

2 hours ago, svelok said:

6 points would take her from F to B? F definitely seems too low. You're putting her on the same level as Konstantine.

Konstantine.

She deserves to be at least D by that reasoning alone! You at least get to use her ability, even if there are other ways to get a simulacrum of it at a competitive price.

I totally get that you're accounting for both strength and niche-ness on the same spectrum, which weights some commanders, and makes comparisons less direct; but there's no way Leia's niche build requirements push her to Konstantine's level.

By the same token, I think there really needs to be a poop version of the "Omega" rating.

Tagge belongs there. Biggs is just wrong to put him "above" Konstantine.

Tagge Haiku

I really am the worst

Imperial Commander

So do not use me

Here's the rating classification:

Dark Omega - Worse than "F". A tier created for Tagge.

4 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

By the same token, I think there really needs to be a poop version of the "Omega" rating.

Tagge belongs there. Biggs is just wrong to put him "above" Konstantine.

Tagge Haiku

I really am the worst

Imperial Commander

So do not use me

Here's the rating classification:

Dark Omega - Worse than "F". A tier created for Tagge.

I give tokens back

Just not when they are useful

I really do suck

Some fleet admirals

Give hull or crits or rerolls;

One adjusts his hat.

General Tagge

In the Star Destroyer's lav

While his whole fleet burns.

Also,

"Mon Mothma (-1 Tier) - It's not that she's bad, she just isn't really... around much anymore. If she was an Armada player, she'd be the player who shows up to the Store Championship that you haven't seen since Wave 4 and wins it."

FTFY. People not bringing her doesn't make her bad.

.

8 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Also,

"Mon Mothma (-1 Tier) - It's not that she's bad, she just isn't really... around much anymore. If she was an Armada player, she'd be the player who shows up to the Store Championship that you haven't seen since Wave 4 and wins it."

FTFY. People not bringing her doesn't make her bad.

I have been thinking about a Mothma list recently...

8 minutes ago, geek19 said:

I have been thinking about a Mothma list recently...

I catch you thinking about Konstantine lists sometimes, you crazy Rebel jankmaster ;). Not to say Mothma is bad (she's not, I think she's pretty competitive), just I know you're thinking of like... half a dozen lists at all times.

Re: the actual rankings, I think it's pretty contentious and I find myself in disagreement with a lot of it. @Drasnighta and @geek19 pretty much already covered Leia - I think she can be quite good but you really need to build around her ("she's not worth it with Command 3 ships" is like saying "Sloane's bad with only 6 squads of TIE Fighters" - the error was made in fleet construction). Otherwise the main one that comes to mind is my homeboy, Ozzel. I don't see him and Moff Jerry really competing with one another at all despite having a similar speed/maneuver shtick. They generally want different kinds of ships with only some overlap (Gladiators work fine for both, ISDs work fine for both) and Jerry's for when you generally want to relax on navigate commands while Ozzel's for when you want to supercharge your nav dials and tokens (especially tokens).

Or I suppose I see it kind of like your take on Madine - when you build a fleet around him and really know what you're doing with him (as you do through @Truthiness), he can be pretty strong. A lot of people avoid him for varying reasons, some of which are due to it taking a little while to really come to grips with him and needing to build your fleet strongly around his ability, but he has some legs if you keep at it.

No disputing that Konstantine and Tagge are garbage, though. I'll add my own Tagge haiku:
Ironclad contract
Never there when you need him
Rounds three and five, ugh

Lol, I just realized you put Garm above Mothma.

43 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Lol, I just realized you put Garm above Mothma.

Where he belongs.

1 minute ago, BiggsIRL said:

Where he belongs.

Fight fight fight fight!

Garm vs. Mothma grudge match.

1v1 me bro.

Re: Leia.

So what we are saying is she needs to be boosting quality rather than activation spam quantity.

So not MSU. Funny that.

If you want NSU just take a comms net or Tantive. No difference.

If you want quality take Leia.

2 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Garm vs. Mothma grudge match.

1v1 me bro.

Yay! My Palpatine-like manipulations have come to fruition! My evil knows no bounds, I am truly the master of this galaxy, etc etc argle bargle.

2 hours ago, Ardaedhel said:

Lol, I just realized you put Garm above Mothma.

I object to this as well. I was not consulted in the making of this list and disavow all things wrong with.

Naturally, everything right with it is my influence.

A Garm AAR:

http://www.steelstrategy.com/2017/11/aar-biggs-and-garm-at-empire-games.html

Where are the bombers!!!

You all need to up your mustache game

Oh and as for Rebel commanders, Ackbar>All. At least until Raddus arrives.