How should expert handling be worded to be cool?

By Shane Gooseman, in X-Wing

The card is not really worth it, so how could it be improved?

"**** yeah bro, perform that SLICK barrel roll action. If one of those other team jabronies has you target locked, then straight SHRED that token, brah. Keep in mind, if you're not a barrel roller on the reg, this is going to totally stress you out."

Create a way to say "perform a barrel roll" and that way allow ships with the BR action to perform two rolls per turn with EI. Still not worth it, but hilarious with Star Viper mk2.

More seriously I think the card is fine, just a tick too expensive for not offering dice mods at all.

"Do a barrel roll, StarFox!"

"Take a shot to perform..." Kinda keeps itself in check. Four rounds of crazy Dash style flying is not recommended.

Two options:

1) Whenever you perform a barrel roll action, you may discard 1 of the TL of the enemy onto you.

2) Action: perform two barrel rolls consecutively. You may discard 1 of the TL of the enemy onto you.

I could never top @HammerGibbens but,

just change the timing of Expert Handling to “At the start of the Combat Phase”

Then lower PS ships get to reposition and “SHRED” target locks.

"Action: Perform free Barrel Roll action. If an enemy ship has got a Target Lock on you, you must remove it and get a stress token. You cannot use this Action if you have any Stress tokens." - that way for 2 points you get Barrel Roll action, which may cause you to get a stress token if you are locked. Plus thanks to the condition in the end, you cannot use it with Primed Thrusters.

A double BR would actually be pretty broken with Zeta Ace

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Edited by Hannes Solo

"....You may use the 2 straight template instead of the 1 straight template when performing this Barrel Roll...."

Add barrel roll to your action bar. After executing a barrel roll action you may remove a red target lock token assigned to you.

Doesn't need the stress, doesn't need to cost any more - the use of the EPT slot alone is enough to make it more costly than VTs.

OR

Action: perform a free barrel roll action. If you have the barrel roll icon in your action bar, you may use a 2 straight or 1 bank template for the barrel roll. Then remove a red target lock token assigned to your ship.

Again, no need for the stress, no need for the extra cost, the EPT slot is valuable enough that 2 points should get you a lot at a minimal cost. WOuld need to be small ship only though.

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2 hours ago, Hannes Solo said:

A double BR would actually be pretty broken with Zeta Ace

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How exactly? Its a 2 attack dice ship at PS 5.

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Just now, Jo Jo said:

How exactly. Its a 2 attack dice ship at PS 5.

Well you move faster sideways when you do move forward. Its pretty hilarious.

Expert Handling is fine. It puts Barrel Roll on large base ships. That's an amazing ability. The target lock shedding is a bonus.

Yeah, sure, it's in a super valuable slot and it gives you stress, but it also puts freaking Barrel Roll on large base ships. It bloody well should have some downsides.

If it were any better - if it were cheaper, or didn't give the stress, it would be on par with VI, Predator, Expertise etc. as among the most powerful EPTs in the game. People would be complaining about it. Right now it's balanced. The only possible improvement would be changing the wording to what @HammerGibbens suggested, because I think we can all agree that's a massive improvement.

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2 minutes ago, MacchuWA said:

Expert Handling is fine. It puts Barrel Roll on large base ships. That's an amazing ability. The target lock shedding is a bonus.

Yeah, sure, it's in a super valuable slot and it gives you stress, but it also puts freaking Barrel Roll on large base ships. It bloody well should have some downsides.

If it were any better - if it were cheaper, or didn't give the stress, it would be on par with VI, Predator, Expertise etc. as among the most powerful EPTs in the game. People would be complaining about it. Right now it's balanced. The only possible improvement would be changing the wording to what @HammerGibbens suggested, because I think we can all agree that's a massive improvement.

Exactly this.

6 hours ago, HammerGibbens said:

"**** yeah bro, perform that SLICK barrel roll action. If one of those other team jabronies has you target locked, then straight SHRED that token, brah. Keep in mind, if you're not a barrel roller on the reg, this is going to totally stress you out."

I need an alt art Expert Handling with this text in my life.

If you wanted to make it more usable, the key would be to make it combine with PTL. Something along the lines of "Action: Perform a free barrel roll action. Assign a focus token to your ship. Then you may remove a red target lock token from your ship. If you do not have the <BR> action on your action bar, receive a stress." 4 points.

The main "problem" with EH is that there's too much competition for the EPT slot. For ships with the BR action, this gives you a stress free double action, but one MUST be BR, and it's one point more than PTL. For non-BR ships, it gives you a BR and a F for just 1 point more than PTL, or one point less than PTL+VT, but you end up with a stress (and large base can't take VT). It actually brings EH back into the conversation. As it is, I'd only consider using it on Rey right now since it can provide her with modifications if she gets things in arc that she otherwise wouldn't be able to get in arc. But no one else really wants it because it gives a stress (so you can't combine it with EI) and it takes your EPT, and it leaves you modless. Though I suppose you could put it on a ship with EI+IR+EH to give you two stress and remove two stress... If you couple it with Kyle you could end up with TL+F+EH.... Hermm... If only the Ghost had an EPT.

2 hours ago, Burius1981 said:

I need an alt art Expert Handling with this text in my life.

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7 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

I could never top @HammerGibbens but,

just change the timing of Expert Handling to “At the start of the Combat Phase”

Then lower PS ships get to reposition and “SHRED” target locks.

Do that, but limit it to PS5 or lower. You'd also need to make it unique.

Actually, this is starting to feel like the pre nerf Phantom all over again. Which is too bad- I really like the idea! :/

Just put Peppy's face on the card art, and the text reads "If you do not have the barrel roll icon receive a stress token."

53 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:

Do that, but limit it to PS5 or lower. You'd also need to make it unique.

Actually, this is starting to feel like the pre nerf Phantom all over again. Which is too bad- I really like the idea! :/

Yeah but rather than a reposition, manoeuvre, and then action with perfect board knowledge, it would just be a lil barrel roll (and that shred). Takes up your EPT, could be worth it still

11 hours ago, HammerGibbens said:

"**** yeah bro, perform that SLICK barrel roll action. If one of those other team jabronies has you target locked, then straight SHRED that token, brah. Keep in mind, if you're not a barrel roller on the reg, this is going to totally stress you out."

Someone please make an alt art card with this wording.

4 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

Someone please make an alt art card with this wording.

Barrel roll the thread about three posts up :lol:

12 hours ago, Hannes Solo said:

A double BR would actually be pretty broken with Zeta Ace

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Zeta ace perfected Darth Vader’s spinning technique first shown at the battle of Yavin.

16 hours ago, Jo Jo said:

How exactly? Its a 2 attack dice ship at PS 5.

Which is why we must nerf it so it is only once per game. So it can be just like Fel's Wrath:P

To be honest Expert Handling is one of the many reasons why I am starting to think X-wing is in need of a revamp of its system where it starts to replace old pilot cards and rotate out old upgrade cards that no longer serve a purpose.