If the trading/sale pages on Facebook are anything to go by it seems like people are leaving xwing in droves rather than armada.

With regard to legion I only have 2 main thoughts, 1) I like prepainted and just don't have time for painting anymore & 2) I'd prefer it to be in a scale more akin to the old Epic space marines/Titan legions (or somewhere inbetween) so you can get AT-ATs on the table and have a real battle.

Going to keep an eye on it (legion) see how it takes off then work out if I can afford it..... but most of the people I game with are sceptical about it as most play 40K /AoS / WMH /other table top regiment level games coupled with how FFG do expansion cards so we're on a wait and see

Armada: all in
I played my share of 40k and thanks for offering Legion but I am not going to paint stuff anymore.

Dear Armada,

I will never leave you.

Love,

CN

5 hours ago, Nekzous said:

For me its armada. If I wanted to get dirty with infantry, I would have joined the army. Go Navy!

I mean sure, somebody has to sit around and do nothing.

(Both for me)

I will just buy the figs to paint. I do not have plans to play. Just like with 40k. I buy some marines and paint them. sometimes give them away. I do look forward to painting that AT-ST and putting it next to my IA to compare.

I'll be playing both.

For those interested in a joint Armada/Legion campaign, I'm doing my own version of CC with an added rule set to incorporate Legion. I'm just waiting on the rules for it before I can write it up. I'm about 90% done with the Armada rules with a lot of optional content to every group can pick how they want to play.

Except that with nearly ten thousand storm troopers on a stock isd it will be hard to play out at scale in legion. I guess you will be able to refight the boarding of tantive 4 etc.

I'll try Legion and play it if it is good, sell it if it sucks.

I always have Rebellion to fall back on, my favorite game (tied with War of the Ring).

I have no plans to pick up Legion. I was originally excited and was expecting a X-Wing vs Armada scale; when I saw the actual scale I was put off. I already have Imperial Assault and I have a bunch of the old SWM from WotC. If it looks like I am missing the boat I will pick it up in a year or so when someone is selling their collection for cheap.

12 hours ago, bleezy said:

I will probably be leaving Armada for Shadespire. I love Armada but it seems pretty played out at this point. I want to try something new.

I will definitely buy the next wave, any future SSD, any other cool new ships, etc. And I'll never get rid of any ships. But I probably won't play any more Armada tournaments.

@bleezy - GW gets a lot of hate but Shadespire is cheap and quick. I think it has great potential... simple to learn, hard to master... kinda like the early days of X-Wing?

I just don't have time for all-day Armada tourneys so I hear you there. I am hopeful that Armada will come out with new campaigns and maybe new formats to play.

Nah, if and when I get done with Armada (look at me FFG: SLOW RELEASES, LACK OF UPDATE NEWS) I don't think I would pick up Legion. I would try it out certainly, but would not buy in.

I tried 40k, and the painting and assembly killed me. I liked doing it, most of my Armada squads are painted, but 40k was just too much, and a bit pricey. It almost killed me, I sold my army. 40k did give nw some great lessons in painting minis.

Sticking to armada.

I started with X-wing, but honestly, that game rubbed me the wrong way. Expansions came out too fast. Balance was atrocious. Gameplay was limited.

Armada did everything better.

Legion may be a solid game, and I certainly have interest in the concept...but I just can't find a reason to pick it up. It's super expensive. $300 for 1 of everything in the first wave. And honestly, it looks like a 2 core game, and only having 1 ATST or T47? So you could be talking an easy $500 just for the first wave. Expensive stuff like the ATST won't be rare. Beyond the cost, the lack of paint is disappointing. I don't have the skill to paint anything that looks halfway decent. I don't have the time to learn the skill, and even if I had the skill, I don't have the time to paint. I have a career, kids, wife, dogs, and a house. My free time is precious, and spending it hunched over a desk staring through a magnifying glass while breathing in paint fumes ain't exactly how I want to spend my very limited free time. On top of all that, the scale bugs the **** out of me. I wanted LEGIONS. I wanted battalions of storm troopers. I wanted squads of ATSTs. I wanted ATATs stomping across a battlefield. What we got is squad based detachments engaging in a minor border skirmish.

If they make a larger scale game (even unpainted), I likely won't be able to resist. But Legion just has too many faults that I can't come to terms with. I learned my lesson with X-wing and I'm not going to repeat it with Legion.

I'll play both.

I like Armada to itch my need for a little fleet action.

Legion will feed my need for ground action.

@kmanweiss you said it

I could find the budget over a year or so, but I can't see finding the time and I just don't understand why pick a scale that is so close to IA

I've tried a lot of 30mm skirmish games in the past (Warhammer 40k, AT-43, Necromunda, Infinity, AvP) and none of them have tempted me to buy-in. They all suffer from the same flaw: collecting your models, list-building, and anticipating your grand battles always turn out to be far more fun than the actual on-table games, because the actual games feel repetitive and lack any real tactical depth, often feeling more like a dice-fest. I'm yet to find a system that can deliver satisfying gameplay at the 30mm tabletop experience, and nothing about Legion makes me think it will, either. It's just not my style of game.

I won't be joining the Legion crowd. I keep not painting my Armada squadrons and T-70s from X-wing. I also have a tough enough time getting guys to come out and play a game of either X-wing or Armada when they already own stuff for them.

Other than the painting thing though this isn't a know on Legion as it looks neat for that sort of game and the whole 40KWarmachordesofstuffthatneedsbuiltandpainted has never held much appeal. I will say though that in today's age of internet videos the hobby painting gaming thing is much more accessible and digestible than when I was first exposed to it.

nah. The crew and I did slow down on Armada plays, but that's because we started playing games that accommodate for more than just 1 vs 1. So, Scythe, Cthulhu Wars, Gloomhaven, Dead of Winter is what we're playing right now. We still play Armada, but instead of on a weekly basis, it's more of on a monthly basis. If the devs have the balls to change some rules to the game (increase cap limit, promote bigger ship play) then we'll probably start playing on a more regular basis.

Now, the game has stalled a bit and the slow pace of new releases doesn't help. But even then, new releases refresh the game for a month or 2, then it's back to the same feeling again.

oh and the lack of support from FFG is seriously annoying. It really feels like Armada is the red headed stepchild.

I do think they need to have more waves per year. 2 waves per year just isn’t cutting it, especially when the wave gets delayed to the following year. I would like to either get 2 ships per side in the 2 waves or get at least three waves per year. Wouldn’t hurt to release a new campaign once or twice a year either. The game feels a bit stale right now. I still love Armada though. It seems like Legion is getting more love and attention which worries me some. It looks interesting but armada is pretty spectacular in my opinion and deserves more articles and releases.

The counterpoint to the arguments made is, "If people aren't willing to wait and support what there is already, why bother putting the time and effort into improving it?"

Well, I play Armada, IA and Xwing so why not Legion too!

Gonna kill my wallet though. Armada has 2 waves per year and so does IA which is fine if you play multiple games. I stopped buying xwing a while ago but buy the odd ship.

But it depends on the locals

15 hours ago, ninclouse2000 said:

I would love to see a player made armada/legion campaign.

Funny you should say that. I'm considering doing a massive X-Wing, Armada, Legion campaign. Each round the attacking player could pick missions which would determine what game you play. So one turn you might make a tactical ground attack to destroy the shield generator for a space station, then be taking a single squadron of X-Wings loaded out with Proton Torpedoes to destroy said space station, and then finally sending in your armada to fight the fleet that is responding to the distress call.

It's nowhere near ready as I've just been making notes (and Legion isn't out yet) but if I ever finish it, I'll be sharing it for people to workshop.

5 hours ago, Ophion said:

Except that with nearly ten thousand storm troopers on a stock isd it will be hard to play out at scale in legion. I guess you will be able to refight the boarding of tantive 4 etc.

Put in a limitless reserves special rule for stormtroopers.

2 hours ago, ninclouse2000 said:

I do think they need to have more waves per year. 2 waves per year just isn’t cutting it, especially when the wave gets delayed to the following year. I would like to either get 2 ships per side in the 2 waves or get at least three waves per year. Wouldn’t hurt to release a new campaign once or twice a year either. The game feels a bit stale right now. I still love Armada though. It seems like Legion is getting more love and attention which worries me some. It looks interesting but armada is pretty spectacular in my opinion and deserves more articles and releases.

I'd counter that a too rapid pace of releases is one thing that has turned off so many former X-Wing players. Two waves a year means we spend most of our time anticipating