I know I've mentioned it before, but I think the best move is a "Separatist holdout" faction. There's a lot of content that works well for Separatist ships and if there is canon references to the Separatists still being around, that might work. I don't feel like the Separatists really fit well with the Rebellion in terms of ideals.

I have to believe that the Venator and Acclamator will show up for the Imperials soon.

Besides that, there might be a few starfighter designs, but there's a glut of squadrons out there that aren't being used and I don't really care to have more fighter stands to try to store.

Edit: I also want players to have the option of not buying things they dislike. One of my problems with X-wing is that there is a push to get people to buy ships they aren't particularly interested in. There is a market for Prequel stuff, but don't force those of us who aren't a fan to buy it if we want to keep up with the factions we do like.

After a long absence from the boards, I return like obi-wan to the stage of the good fight. This "good fight" my young apprentices is the fight for what one of you said: "synthesis." What a perfect word for what darth mickey (an endearing term if there ever was one) and FFG should do for the good of the fan base is to include the clone wars era ships and squadrons as adendums to the current factions but also have alternate faction cards for future waves. Example. When the venator is released, include an imperial and republic ship card. That way when enough of these ships come out, they can release a campaign with cards for the arquitens, pelta and other such ships. I humbly submit this opinion. While there are many many parts of the PT that outright suck, I am one of those 20-something's that were introduced to star wars through the prequels. While the hate is understood, they are still star wars movies. Many of you expressed love for clone wars and the addition of things through the new cannon. That gives me hope. Carry on and may the force be with you all. December 15th cannot get here soon enough am I right?

7 hours ago, Chuntsinger said:

Example. When the venator is released, include an imperial and republic ship card. That way when enough of these ships come out, they can release a campaign with cards for the arquitens, pelta and other such ships.

I like this idea. We, @Chuntsinger and I, have talked about this and I agree this would be the best way to add clone wars ships to the game we have.

7 hours ago, Chuntsinger said:

. While there are many many parts of the PT that outright suck, I am one of those 20-something's that were introduced to star wars through the prequels. While the hate is understood, they are still star wars movies. Many of you expressed love for clone wars and the addition of things through the new cannon. That gives me hope. Carry on and may the force be with you all. December 15th cannot get here soon enough am I right?

I have slowly come over to this camp. I grew up on the original trilogy and the more I watched the prequels, the more they hurt to watch. But, they have grown on me and I have believe there is one good movie in there somewhere, if you combine all three. With that being said, I love almost everything Star Wars, but if they “rebooted” the prequels I would not be happy. They are what they are and while they are cring worthy at points they could have been worse.

Never gonna happen.

13 hours ago, Chuntsinger said:

Example. When the venator is released, include an imperial and republic ship card. That way when enough of these ships come out, they can release a campaign with cards for the arquitens, pelta and other such ships. I humbly submit this opinion.

I think the problem is that this only really works for the Republic. Even if you only take existing models, you've got a decent range of Republic era ships with the Pelta, Arquitens and Victory; throw in the Venator, and you could easily put together a Republic fleet. It doesn't work, however, for the Separatists; there isn't a single ship in the current lineup, or even in the current lore, that could easily be released as a Civil War-era ship with two faction cards. I can easily see a retrofitted Separatist ship for the Rebels at some point, but not multiple; the idea is cool for a single ship, but would start to feel very out of keeping with three or four. In which case you'd have to release a collection of Separatist ships exclusively as Separatists for a Clone Wars style campaign to work.

I think we are seeing synthesis in both Disney and FFG's work: Peltas and Arquitens in Armada, AT-RTs in Legion, ARC-170s in X-wing. But it's always going to be limited by the fact that, whilst the Original Trilogy and sequels fit with one another very neatly (Rebellion becomes Resistance, Empire becomes First Order), the conflict that defines the Prequel Trilogy is completely separate and different. I just can't see a neat way to synthesise it in the way you suggest, and I think that a release of Separatist ships and Republic alternative cards would be messy, and the kind of messy that would prove unpopular.

The rebels cartoon has shown still active separatist droids (despite Vader allegedly shutting them all down in ep3).

As such I think a 3rd separatist faction would be both reasonable & in keeping with new canon (if you care about such things).

But I doubt it will happen.

4 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

The rebels cartoon has shown still active separatist droids (despite Vader allegedly shutting them all down in ep3).

As such I think a 3rd separatist faction would be both reasonable & in keeping with new canon (if you care about such things).

But I doubt it will happen.

But those droids were one-offs, and they explained why they were still active. They hardly warrant or justify an entire third faction.

24 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

But those droids were one-offs, and they explained why they were still active. They hardly warrant or justify an entire third faction.

He did get away. Perhaps he goes and finds a foundry and reactivates it? Y'know. Since the Rebellion has a less than 1% chance of successfully defeating the empire and all...

1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

He did get away. Perhaps he goes and finds a foundry and reactivates it? Y'know. Since the Rebellion has a less than 1% chance of successfully defeating the empire and all...

I know its possible that he does something, but unless they state as much, it's all fan theory, and thus not worth anything when it comes to introducing factions to a game.

4 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I know its possible that he does something, but unless they state as much, it's all fan theory, and thus not worth anything when it comes to introducing factions to a game.

Its worth as much as anything is then.

Since we're not the ones who do the introducing or decision making.

16 hours ago, mcworrell said:

I have slowly come over to this camp. I grew up on the original trilogy and the more I watched the prequels, the more they hurt to watch. But, they have grown on me and I have believe there is one good movie in there somewhere, if you combine all three. With that being said, I love almost everything Star Wars, but if they “rebooted” the prequels I would not be happy. They are what they are and while they are cring worthy at points they could have been worse.

I fall between the two trilogies. Grew up on the OT because I have older brothers. I went into the PTs with high hopes. I watched them and was impressed by elements. I saw them through the eyes of my young child. I tried desperately to defend them early on when people were ripping on them...because it was Star Wars. Eventually I realized there wasn't much to defend. They were bad. Straight up bad. Ep1 is nearly holiday special bad. They are MST3k bad. The acting, the directing, the writing, the pacing, so much of it is so bad. For a time, I could watch them, even enjoy parts. But when they show up on TV now days, I immediately turn the channel. The acting is so, so bad. OT shows up on TV and I'll watch every minute despite seeing them lord only knows how many times. The entire household cheers when Willrow Hood shows up.

Could have been worse? Yeah, of course. It's difficult to imagine, but I suppose it's possible...technically. But that doesn't mean it should be preserved. No one balked at rebooting the Captain America movie after the 1979 or 1990 spectacularly bad movies. Some kid that was 5 when the 1990 version came out was probably madly in love with it despite it being dog doo...but that doesn't mean we give up the option of doing it better with the right script, actors, and effects. And if you look at what Disney is producing now with the new Star Wars movies and the entire run of Marvel movies, I think it's pretty easy to see how they could be dramatically improved upon with a reboot.

As for people that claim that a reboot would be the end of SW for them. BS! And even if it isn't BS, it's no loss. People swore off SW after the prequals, but I bet the vast majority were in the theaters for Ep 7. People swore off SW after the EU was dumped, guess where there were when Ep7 was in the theater. They just make it part of the EU, an alternate universe storyline. Even if a few diehard Jar Jar fans go crazy and picket the theaters, it would acquire more fans for the franchise than it lost.

1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

But those droids were one-offs, and they explained why they were still active. They hardly warrant or justify an entire third faction.

I thought droids had shown up more than once...

16 minutes ago, kmanweiss said:

I fall between the two trilogies. Grew up on the OT because I have older brothers. I went into the PTs with high hopes. I watched them and was impressed by elements. I saw them through the eyes of my young child. I tried desperately to defend them early on when people were ripping on them...because it was Star Wars. Eventually I realized there wasn't much to defend. They were bad. Straight up bad. Ep1 is nearly holiday special bad. They are MST3k bad. The acting, the directing, the writing, the pacing, so much of it is so bad. For a time, I could watch them, even enjoy parts. But when they show up on TV now days, I immediately turn the channel. The acting is so, so bad. OT shows up on TV and I'll watch every minute despite seeing them lord only knows how many times. The entire household cheers when Willrow Hood shows up.

Could have been worse? Yeah, of course. It's difficult to imagine, but I suppose it's possible...technically. But that doesn't mean it should be preserved. No one balked at rebooting the Captain America movie after the 1979 or 1990 spectacularly bad movies. Some kid that was 5 when the 1990 version came out was probably madly in love with it despite it being dog doo...but that doesn't mean we give up the option of doing it better with the right script, actors, and effects. And if you look at what Disney is producing now with the new Star Wars movies and the entire run of Marvel movies, I think it's pretty easy to see how they could be dramatically improved upon with a reboot.

As for people that claim that a reboot would be the end of SW for them. BS! And even if it isn't BS, it's no loss. People swore off SW after the prequals, but I bet the vast majority were in the theaters for Ep 7. People swore off SW after the EU was dumped, guess where there were when Ep7 was in the theater. They just make it part of the EU, an alternate universe storyline. Even if a few diehard Jar Jar fans go crazy and picket the theaters, it would acquire more fans for the franchise than it lost.

I disagree. I liked the acting of the PT. At least, most of it. I thought the actors fit nicely into their roles (sure, the roles could have been worked on, but they portrayed nicely the roles that were written, I think). Sure the plots got a bit slow at times, but the movies as a whole were OK as far as movies go. I would hate to see a remake. Mainly because I don't think it's needed, partly because I don't want to see the actors for Anakin, Obi-wan, Mace Windu, and Jango replaced, and partly because remakes almost always tend to be worse.

Just now, ISD Avenger said:

I thought droids had shown up more than once...

Seperatist remenants are mentioned in the Tarkin novel and im pretty sure lords of the sith too so definetly in canon enough for armada.

The practicality of introducing a new faction is more of an issue rather then the 'canoness'

I for one would love to see it however ffg would most likely need to do a wave of pure seperatists ships and many of them, similar to what they did when introducing scum in x-wing

3 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

I thought droids had shown up more than once...

There was one time where they were looking for proton torpedoes and came across a crashed Sep Ship. I think that was the only time they ran into droids en masse. Other than that, if they ran into droids, they were not part of an official Sep force.

11 hours ago, Belphegor07 said:

Seperatist remenants are mentioned in the Tarkin novel and im pretty sure lords of the sith too so definetly in canon enough for armada.

The practicality of introducing a new faction is more of an issue rather then the 'canoness'

I for one would love to see it however ffg would most likely need to do a wave of pure seperatists ships and many of them, similar to what they did when introducing scum in x-wing

In Rogue One: Catalyst, the Separatist remnant are more the peoples that supported the Separatists than the battle droid armies themselves. Just as, in Clone Wars , the clones fight the Umbarans, it's implied that they're fighting similar local forces on other worlds. Yes, in Rebels we see the heroes fight a unit of battle droids that ignored the shut down order, there's no suggestion that it was widespread.

I'm not saying it's impossible, I just think it would open a can of worms: if there are large enough remnants of Separatist armies to justify a faction, surely it'd completely change the narrative of the Original Trilogy? As I've said previously, I think one or two ships making it into the Rebel rosta (as retrofitted ships that weren't scrapped by the Empire) would be really cool and certainly plausible, I don't think a remnant faction would work thematically, and an exclusively Clone War faction would be awkward to include at best.

Equally, however, I might be wrong. It's not like we get too upset at Empire vs Empire games at tournaments; no-one's going to protest even a Separatist vs First Order game, were they to be incorporated. I just think it'd be a tricky one for FFG to manoeuvre when there's plenty of scope left within the existing game and era.

“Someone” also used a bunch (about 400) clone wars surplus Vulture Droids in “Thrawn”... apparently, you can just buy them on the outskirts of the Empire.

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

“Someone” also used a bunch (about 400) clone wars surplus Vulture Droids in “Thrawn”... apparently, you can just buy them on the outskirts of the Empire.

In Lords of the Sith Cham Syndulla used a swarm of refitted droid fighters to help take down an ISD.

4 hours ago, ceejlekabeejle said:

I'm not saying it's impossible, I just think it would open a can of worms: if there are large enough remnants of Separatist armies to justify a faction, surely it'd completely change the narrative of the Original Trilogy? As I've said previously, I think one or two ships making it into the Rebel rosta (as retrofitted ships that weren't scrapped by the Empire) would be really cool and certainly plausible, I don't think a remnant faction would work thematically, and an exclusively Clone War faction would be awkward to include at best.

I have always felt that Star Wars games work best when placed before or right after a New Hope. After that, it starts to get weird.

In a New Hope, I always got the impression that the Empire had finally stomped out the last of their enemies and are setting up their regime ("Regional governors will keep local systems in line") etc etc.

I can easily see armies still fighting long after the war has "ended". Heck, in the Rebels TV show, we're seeing the mining guild and they don't always seem fond of the Empire. They even use special TIE Fighters, too. Have some cross faction ships/squads to pull in like the TIE Fighter squadrons and you can do a Most Wanted box set.

It's totally doable.

Edit: Looking at the Wookieepedia article, there's a good number of ships there they could use, too. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Separatist_navy

26 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

In Lords of the Sith Cham Syndulla used a swarm of refitted droid fighters to help take down an ISD.

Not familiar with that one. Canon?

4 hours ago, ceejlekabeejle said:

I'm not saying it's impossible, I just think it would open a can of worms: if there are large enough remnants of Separatist armies to justify a faction, surely it'd completely change the narrative of the Original Trilogy?

Hasn’t that happened already? In ep4, Vader captures Leia, who feigns surprise & anger that Vader would dare attack a senatorial ship.

Rogue one makes this ridiculous as Vader watched her ship eject from a rebel fleet.

34 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Not familiar with that one. Canon?

It's canon but not a very good read in my opinion.

Aah.

"Thrawn" I got on unabridged audiobook.

Its currently in its 28th Playthrough.

... I might listen to it while I'm at work in lieu of music.

3 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Aah.

"Thrawn" I got on unabridged audiobook.

Its currently in its 28th Playthrough.

... I might listen to it while I'm at work in lieu of music.

I thought Thrawn was a d*** good book myself. I could see listening to it several times if I had it in audio form.

Lords of the Sith was a boring slog for me though. Just don't care about the Emperor and Vader taking on a hive of giant predatory bugs. It did include a cool short story about Rae Sloane when she was a cadet though.

58 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

Hasn’t that happened already? In ep4, Vader captures Leia, who feigns surprise & anger that Vader would dare attack a senatorial ship.

Rogue one makes this ridiculous as Vader watched her ship eject from a rebel fleet.

This is resolved easily enough by the assumption that Leia may not know Vader was present in person for that, and may in fact be hoping that Tantive IV managed to escape and jump to hyperspace without being 1. noticed or at least 2. identified by Devastator . The scene in ep IV is a bit strained, sure, but only for the audience (and Vader), who have more information than Leia herself.