12 hours ago, JediPartisan said:
The Mining Guild is imperial not Scum, so no.
Why do people wan't to throw everything in the Scum bin unless it has empire or rebellion written on the front?
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7 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:The Mining Guild is imperial not Scum, so no.
Why do people wan't to throw everything in the Scum bin unless it has empire or rebellion written on the front?
Because that's what Scum is. It's the "catch all" faction for what's not on the Empire's side but also what's not on the Rebel's side either.
Just now, SabineKey said:Because that's what Scum is. It's the "catch all" faction for what's not on the Empire's side but also what's not on the Rebel's side either.
Yeah but the Mining guild IS at the empires side. Same thing with Saw Gurera and his fellow terrorists thes ARE on the rebel side (despite certain differences regarding means and priorities).
7 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:Yeah but the Mining guild IS at the empires side. Same thing with Saw Gurera and his fellow terrorists thes ARE on the rebel side (despite certain differences regarding means and priorities).
While I think both are open to interpretation, I do lean more to your way of thinking. Especially for Saw.
11 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:Yeah but the Mining guild IS at the empires side. Same thing with Saw Gurera and his fellow terrorists thes ARE on the rebel side (despite certain differences regarding means and priorities).
...from a certain point of view.
Seems unlikely to put the minig Guild and the Pirates that ambush her freighters in the same faction.
When I hear "scum", I generally think of 4 categories:
1. Mercenaries
2. Common criminals (pirates, smugglers)
3. Organized Crime (Hutts, Black Sun, etc)
4. Bounty Hunters, to a degree since they'll take jobs from 1-3 for the credits.
If you aren't in those 4 categories, you don't belong in scum. I get that they had to put Fenn Rau and company somewhere, but I'm not sure scum fits them. It was the least bad choice of the choices provided I suppose.
Scum really shouldn't be a "catch all"
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I just want the Otana, the Rebels have the main character from X-Wing, the Empire has the main character from Tie Fighter, we just need the main character from X-wing: Alliance to have all three. The Otana was used, if I remember correctly, mostly on the side missions with Ace's family so it is less associated with the Rebellion itself, and hey then the Scum can have their own YT ship.
The slaver ship is okay, and is as similar to the YV as the YT-2400 is to the YT-1300 so that doesn't bother me too much, and could be used as a way for more bounty hunter crew like Embo. I'm pretty sure that Moralo Eval used one with Cad Bane, so it seems that the developers might have been trying to lump these two ships into one, or at least one of those associated with it. I think the Lady Luck, with a scum pilot Lando, Mara Jade, and some classic EU crew might be good, and definitely would have a different feel to the YV while still having extra crew slots. Maybe sometimes Jabba wants to ride in style?
The Minning Guild Tie though, no, just no. The scum already has enough cross over, they don't need to get a cheap blocker, and if they did add them, they do not need a 180 degree arc, their firing arc is no better than an X-wing or any other ship that has the ability to see without panels limiting their sight.
Nothing wrong with an asymmetric dial. Just dont freakin give it white moves one way and green the other, the "bad side" needs a lot of reds. I wouldnt even care if the jm5k had a white sloop if it didnt even have right turns and its right 1/3 banks were red. THATS an asymmetric ship where its able to handle one direction better than the other.
But the slaveII looks like crap. ugh.
Mining guild ties will come eventually i guarantee it. It will be the last minute "we need a scum ship" filler for a wave at some point.
3 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:When I hear "scum", I generally think of 4 categories:
1. Mercenaries
2. Common criminals (pirates, smugglers)
3. Organized Crime (Hutts, Black Sun, etc)
4. Bounty Hunters, to a degree since they'll take jobs from 1-3 for the credits.
If you aren't in those 4 categories, you don't belong in scum. I get that they had to put Fenn Rau and company somewhere, but I'm not sure scum fits them. It was the least bad choice of the choices provided I suppose.
Scum really shouldn't be a "catch all"
But then, what should? There are too many groups out there that don't belong with either the Empire or the Rebels for all of them to have their own faction. And even in the list you set up, there are groups and individuals that shouldn't be working together.
Putting groups like Mandalorians in with Scum isn't a perfect solution, but after years of seeing groups like them shoehorned into one side or the other, having them on the third side is rather refreshing.
2 minutes ago, SabineKey said:But then, what should? There are too many groups out there that don't belong with either the Empire or the Rebels for all of them to have their own faction. And even in the list you set up, there are groups and individuals that shouldn't be working together.
Putting groups like Mandalorians in with Scum isn't a perfect solution, but after years of seeing groups like them shoehorned into one side or the other, having them on the third side is rather refreshing.
Sure but why put stuff into scum which actually has an association with either empire or rebel alliance?
2 minutes ago, SabineKey said:Putting groups like Mandalorians in with Scum isn't a perfect solution, but after years of seeing groups like them shoehorned into one side or the other, having them on the third side is rather refreshing.
As I said, least bad of the choices provided.
22 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:Seems unlikely to put the minig Guild and the Pirates that ambush her freighters in the same faction.
Pretty much every single one of the named bounty hunters has tried at some point to kill every other one of the named bounty hunters, so...
Jussayin. I have no opinion on the Mining Guild TIE, specifically.
Just now, E Chu Ta said:Pretty much every single one of the named bounty hunters has tried at some point to kill every other one of the named bounty hunters, so...
Jussayin. I have no opinion on the Mining Guild TIE, specifically.
Sure, but nobody argues about the bounty hunters being scum. So what?
21 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:Sure but why put stuff into scum which actually has an association with either empire or rebel alliance?
Depends on the extent of the association. Technically, Boba Fett has an association with the Empire, yet to my mind is the poster child of why the Scum faction needs to exist. Heck, I think Dash Rendar belongs more with Scum then Rebels even though he worked with the Rebels quite often. He did it for pay rather than a convinction or some such, like what happened with Han and Lando.
Even the Mining Guild and the Partisans have reasonable arguments as to why they could be considered Scum, even if I personally believe they fit better with the other two factions.
The extent and motivation (in some cases) of the association needs to be considered in my mind. And there's some room for interpretation in some of those cases.
Mining Guild TIE: would be a nice addition to the Imperial hanger... a free title giving TIE fighters a bullseye arc would be awesome and needed... but I’d be okay with it being scum if the title still was usable for Imperial TIEs
I’d like to see the Cloakshape and Slave II, and those would be solid Scum entries
16 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:Sure, but nobody argues about the bounty hunters being scum. So what?
So infighting among the faction doesn't rule out membership in the faction. So pirates and their victims being part of the same faction is entirely possible. So the fact that there are those of the opinion that Mining Guild TIES could be Scum don't have that notion immediately disqualified by infighting.
I can think of no flattering alternative to the assumption that you're being purposefully obtuse in order to not have to defend your position.
5 minutes ago, SabineKey said:Depends on the extent of the association. Technically, Boba Fett has an association with the Empire, yet to my mind is the poster child of why the Scum faction needs to exist. Heck, I think Dash Rendar belongs more with Scum then Rebels even though he worked with the Rebels quite often. He did it for pay rather than a convinction or some such, like what happened with Han and Lando.
Even the Mining Guild and the Partisans have reasonable arguments as to why they could be considered Scum, even if I personally believe they fit better with the other two factions.
The extent and motivation (in some cases) of the association needs to be considered in my mind. And there's some room for interpretation in some of those cases.
Yes but... NO!
Here is the point, yes you can make the point that Dash could be scum cause he is only in the rebel thing for cash. And I agree that someone like Boba is well suited for scum (he worked for the empire for cash as dash (your example) did for the rebels).
But how do you draw a line from Saw to Scum? That guy isn't in for cash he is in cause he is a rebel, probably more a rebel than someone like Mon Mothma.
And the Mining Guild? It is an imperial organisation its as much scum as siena fleet systems would be.
3 minutes ago, E Chu Ta said:So infighting among the faction doesn't rule out membership in the faction. So pirates and their victims being part of the same faction is entirely possible. So the fact that there are those of the opinion that Mining Guild TIES could be Scum don't have that notion immediately disqualified by infighting.
I can think of no flattering alternative to the assumption that you're being purposefully obtuse in order to not have to defend your position.
Yes but in cases that there is a more fitting faction where this is not a point...
The next 4 scum ships need to be:
Rihkxyrk
Ixiyen
Dunelizard
Krayt
Anything else can come after those.
4 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:Yes but in cases that there is a more fitting faction where this is not a point...
It could always go the way of the HWK-290, and get itself a double dip.
48 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:I just want the Otana, the Rebels have the main character from X-Wing, the Empire has the main character from Tie Fighter, we just need the main character from X-wing: Alliance to have all three. The Otana was used, if I remember correctly, mostly on the side missions with Ace's family so it is less associated with the Rebellion itself, and hey then the Scum can have their own YT ship.
Not really. They may have been family jobs, but that family was always above board until they chose a side, the rebellion.
I know they set precedent with Emon and the Andrasta, however he only showed up for the family stuff never the rebellion. And all the otana pilots ended up dead rebel sympathizers or rebel pilots, so they're not really all that scummy.
1 minute ago, ScummyRebel said:Not really. They may have been family jobs, but that family was always above board until they chose a side, the rebellion.
I know they set precedent with Emon and the Andrasta, however he only showed up for the family stuff never the rebellion. And all the otana pilots ended up dead rebel sympathizers or rebel pilots, so they're not really all that scummy.
True, but with them tossing the mandalorians into Scum, I think the faction is more a catch all group at this point.
6 minutes ago, E Chu Ta said:It could always go the way of the HWK-290, and get itself a double dip.
Yes, but why? Why for gods sake should Saw Guerra a rebel fanatic who is as far away from 'Im in for the money' as it gets be scum material?
Any why should the Mining guild, an imperial organization which gets armed with imperial weapons by the empire be in the same faction as the pirates they use these ties against?
Where is no need for this.
13 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:Yes but... NO!
Here is the point, yes you can make the point that Dash could be scum cause he is only in the rebel thing for cash. And I agree that someone like Boba is well suited for scum (he worked for the empire for cash as dash (your example) did for the rebels).
But how do you draw a line from Saw to Scum? That guy isn't in for cash he is in cause he is a rebel, probably more a rebel than someone like Mon Mothma.
And the Mining Guild? It is an imperial organisation its as much scum as siena fleet systems would be.
Saw is the easier one and is based on the definition of the Rebel Faction itself. If you define it as people who want to topple the Empire, then yeah, Saw is dead center of that. But if you define the faction as members of the Rebel Alliance, then Saw (based on Rogue One and possibly a season 4 episode of Rebels) doesn't fit in the Rebels faction since he is not a member of the Rebel Alliance. Now, at one time he was, but then it becomes a question of which source are we basing a Saw card off of.
The Mining Guild is less defendable, but there are cases of them going behind the Empire's back to deal on the black market in Legends and I believe a criminal character in the Thrawn book is revealed to be/have been part of the Mining Guild. Plus, when you have a company with its own privatize troops, people raise eye brows. Like I said, not too concrete, but there is a toe hold to be had.