So we know about Kylo (PS9 EPT) and we can assume Blackout (PS7) has an EPT. We can make the same case for the PS6 First Order-something.

But what about the PS4 generic?

It's a high-enough PS for the EPT.

It even makes sense lore-wise: the Silencer was only used by top pilots.

Could this be the first ship where all the pilots have the EPT?

honestly hope so

the base chasis is incredibly underwhelming for its cost as is, so really it could use all the help it gets

It would be the first time that 2 generics have been printed both with EPTs, but not the first time that all the generics had EPTs (Scout).

Personalyl I doubt it, but I'd be surprised if the higher-PS one doesn't have one.

Either way I'd expect the generics to be unusably bad.

8 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

Could this be the first ship where all the pilots have the EPT?

It wouldn’t be the first ship.

Edit: Ninja’d!

6 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

the base chasis is incredibly underwhelming for its cost as is

(assuming that Kylo Ren isn't costed like Major Rhymer, that is)

8 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

(assuming that Kylo Ren isn't costed like Major Rhymer, that is)

or vynder

honestly if FFG were really good at what they were doing, this would be the case. They would scale price --> PS according to the ship type they were working with

Major rhymer's cost is incredibly ******* stupid because the chasis is not great and you need to spend MORE POINTS to use his ability at all

but Kylo's PS is just an incredible advantage when using the silencer's dial + upgrade slot combination

of course they did this kind of price scale for the gunboat...for some reason? The PS isn't that high and SLAM, while versatile, doesn't make it as maneuverable as a lot of other options available. Anything with advanced sensors moves more flexibly than a SLAMboat, even Nym!

so idk, don't have much hope there

3 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

of course they did this kind of price scale for the gunboat...for some reason? The PS isn't that high and SLAM, while versatile, doesn't make it as maneuverable as a lot of other options available. Anything with advanced sensors moves more flexibly than a SLAMboat, even Nym!

I was thinking this, too.
Even if it did have an EPT, I'm not sure fitting three into a list would even be remotely broken - especially without ordinance. So scaling points would make sense.

That being said, I don't have hope it will have an EPT. Why waste the ink when the pilot won't get played?

6 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

of course they did this kind of price scale for the gunboat...for some reason? The PS isn't that high and SLAM, while versatile, doesn't make it as maneuverable as a lot of other options available. Anything with advanced sensors moves more flexibly than a SLAMboat, even Nym!

so idk, don't have much hope there

FFG are (rightly) really, really scared of SLAM. It's the single most flexible repositioning action in the game.

I think they've been a little gunshy in the case of the Gunboat, but it's better that than broken.

11 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

FFG are (rightly) really, really scared of SLAM. It's the single most flexible repositioning action in the game.

I think they've been a little gunshy in the case of the Gunboat, but it's better that than broken.

weren't really scared about Miranda, were they?

Vynder (PS 7) v Miranda (PS 8), 3 point difference

Nu (PS 2) v Warden (PS 2), 5 point difference

Vynder, who is lower PS, is closer in price to Miranda than the two PS 2 generics are to each other.

honestly, not only is it too late to back-peddle, but the gunboat already pays extra to actually use SLAM in any meaningful capability (and no, +1 agility while disabled is not meaningful in any way)

At least with Karsabi it...kinda sorta makes sense?

Karsabi can at least be justified in that his 3 points over the Rho buys you a better-than-OS-1 level of flexibility (no TL or weapon restriction, albeit at the cost of a stress). But Vynder? Guy could've costed the same as Karsabi because you STILL need to load him up to make SLAM matter at all

I think they're just missing the point, which is Miranda is stupid strong and FAR more so than SLAM on its own (or the gunboat in general, which is already limited by dial and arc and TL/point restriction depending on the title)

They didn't give her an EPT and they gave her a terrible dial.

they gave her regen, bombs and TLT. This far more than balances out those drawbacks and actually made her arguably the best ship in the game

EDIT: and a PWT

and the ability to burn shields to an extra red die if she ever got ignored

I know.

They were still conservative with SLAM.

They just derped with Miranda's ability.

They were a lot more conservative with SLAM on the Gunboat than they needed to be, was more my point.

11 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

They just derped with Miranda's ability.

They built Miranda's ability to synergize with TLT upon release.

In a baffling, incredibly strong way, as if they didn't think TLT was going to be a particularly compelling upgrade to take.

...And then they come along with Vynder and have him synergize with SLAM and reload, but they act as if an extra green die on a ship that a lot of the time won't be able to modify it is particularly beneficial. So, sure, it's technically better than nothing, but would it have been outrageous to say "add an evade result" outright?

1 hour ago, ficklegreendice said:

or vynder

honestly if FFG were really good at what they were doing, this would be the case. They would scale price --> PS according to the ship type they were working with

Major rhymer's cost is incredibly ******* stupid because the chasis is not great and you need to spend MORE POINTS to use his ability at all

but Kylo's PS is just an incredible advantage when using the silencer's dial + upgrade slot combination

of course they did this kind of price scale for the gunboat...for some reason? The PS isn't that high and SLAM, while versatile, doesn't make it as maneuverable as a lot of other options available. Anything with advanced sensors moves more flexibly than a SLAMboat, even Nym!

so idk, don't have much hope there

Silencer dial? You have it!?

5 minutes ago, Sparklelord said:

but would it have been outrageous to say "add an evade result" outright?

Yes because with ASLAM/Upsilon you can still focus.

The synergy is there (like Karsabi and Wired), but you have to ig deep to find it.

28 minutes ago, Jo Jo said:

Silencer dial? You have it!?

nobody does yet apart from ffg and playtesters but we know it has green 2 turns...

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

It would be the first time that 2 generics have been printed both with EPTs, but not the first time that all the generics had EPTs (Scout).

Personalyl I doubt it, but I'd be surprised if the higher-PS one doesn't have one.

Either way I'd expect the generics to be unusably bad.

Protectorate Starfighter. PS 3 and 5 have EPTs.

49 minutes ago, Jo Jo said:

Silencer dial? You have it!?

Have you seen a bad dial with green turns?

Just now, ficklegreendice said:

Have you seen a bad dial with green turns?

No but they could pull a fast one.

Vynder is priced the way he is because he's a EPT-less PS9 with Speed 3 hard turn SLAMs, that he can shoot after using. Where the other gunboat pilot is all about the SLAM HLC, Vynder is the "Imperial ace" of the pack, arcdodging at high PS and with a high agility in case you do catch him.

I'm torn on the idea of EPT on the PS silencer. On one hand, it would be great to have.

On the other...

Poe PS8 and Poe Ps9 show that all else being equal, Native PS9 is worth 2 points over Ps8 to FFG. That makes a hypothetical PS8 Kylo worth 33 points. Pilot abilities are worth at LEAST 1 point, making a PS8 ganairic with EPT worth 32. minus 4 PS (to drop to PS4) is traditionally worth 1 point per PS, making a hypothetical EPT SJP silencer worth 28 points, able to spend 2 for title (situational rerolls, extra survivability), 2 for autothrusters, and 1 point for Primed Thrusters and 0 for colision detectors, with a 0 point trick shot, for 3 ships in a list.

Losing the EPT normally saves a point, however, letting you upgrade the Primed Thrusters to Pattern Analisers, getting focus tokens even on red maneuvers.

55 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

Yes because with ASLAM/Upsilon you can still focus.

The synergy is there (like Karsabi and Wired), but you have to ig deep to find it.

So, really hope that you needed to SLAM, because if you want the die you need the action economy.

PtL for those turns where you're getting it via Reload

But if you're getting a focus token I'm sure you're using it on offense, unless you don't have a shot, so the point is frequently moot

You could use Lone Wolf to reroll a blank, too (if none of your other dice blanked out)

I dunno, I guess I'm saying that in the era of small ship Reinforce I don't see why this guy's ability is so comparatively weak

13 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Have you seen a bad dial with green turns?

They could be pulling something cute like giving it all green 2 speed maneuvers but the rest of the dial is junk. With how much Kylo costs and how fragile he his, that dial had better be scum levels of broken.

30 minutes ago, MegaSilver said:

Protectorate Starfighter. PS 3 and 5 have EPTs.

Has 6 pilots instead of 4, so there are more generics. The lowest PS generic doesn't have an EPT