1 hour ago, EliasWindrider said:There could hypothetically be other force powers that are detrimental to a cyborg. I think in kotor someone (maybe the darkwoman) could phase through walls, phasing and losing all your cybernetics would be bad.
The Dark Woman is a character from a Clone Wars era comic, IIRC.
Why would you lose your cybernetics from phasing when you can phase your clothes along with you?
32 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:The Dark Woman is a character from a Clone Wars era comic, IIRC.
Why would you lose your cybernetics from phasing when you can phase your clothes along with you?
Personally I would expect to lose my clothes if I were able to phase.
Maybe Lucasfilm decided to go with family friendly over "realism" in their fiction. Maybe you have a limit to the amount of (non-living) mass other than yourself that you can take with you?
Edited by EliasWindrider8 hours ago, EliasWindrider said:Personally I would expect to lose my clothes if I were able to phase.
That's not how it goes in the comic where she uses that power. Your expectations aren't really relevant.
8 hours ago, EliasWindrider said:
Maybe Lucasfilm decided to go with family friendly over "realism" in their fiction. Maybe you have a limit to the amount of (non-living) mass other than yourself that you can take with you?
Or maybe you can phase your tooth fillings and the air in your lungs and the biomass in your stomach just fine and don't end up imploding yourself every time you use that power? That's how it's depicted in the comic, after all. There's no good reason to come up with additional limitations not present in the fiction.
On 18-11-2017 at 6:39 PM, Ahrimon said:But, would that mean that larger creatures would be more powerful with the force?
The mystical 'wholeness of body' is more important than actual mass here. Cutting off your limbs, and replacing your organs destroys your own, natural, body integrity, and as such your connection with the Force.
Otherwise mass/size would really have to be a reason to be stronger in the Force; all the more room for some extra midichlorians!
(I'm evil, I know!)
10 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:That's not how it goes in the comic where she uses that power. Your expectations aren't really relevant.
Or maybe you can phase your tooth fillings and the air in your lungs and the biomass in your stomach just fine and don't end up imploding yourself every time you use that power? That's how it's depicted in the comic, after all. There's no good reason to come up with additional limitations not present in the fiction.
Didn't read the comic(s?), so an honest question here, could she phase a capital ship through a larger object by holding on to part of it? If there is no evidence of such, it is reasonable to put a limit on how much non-living mass (or any thing besides the character's living mass if you don't want the character bringing other characters with them when they phase). I have no idea what appropriate limits are, but I presume that there are limits otherwise alderaan could be saved from the death star by phasing it at the appropriate moment. Or a player could phase the planet/starship except for the BBEG who could fall into the earth to have it solidify around/in him or the BBEG could be easily expelled from a starship into the vacuum of space. This is as I say hypothetical of course because I have no knowledge (I am not a playtester) about if/when phasing will be included in the ffg sw rpg. I also don't know if (or how many) the darkwoman had any cybernetic appendages (whether the comic specifically addresses how much stuff that is not her that she could bring with her). But again, hypothetically, there could be other force powers besides force lightning that having any/many cybernetics prevented said cyborg force user from using. While force lightning is probably the only one statted in the game right now, that could conceivably change.
Pardon me for saying this but your response to my public speculation about what other limitations a cyborg force user might have seemed a little hostile. I'm intending to converse not argue. I hope that nothing bad is going on in real life for you.
Edited by EliasWindriderOn 6-11-2017 at 6:21 AM, Stan Fresh said:He can train in the desert just as much as in a temple. He's old, but he's not given up on himself.
Lots of bad or wrong ideas stick around a long time. Doesn't make them accurate or interesting.
Then I guess we should agree to disagree then?
I think some of the older ideas are accurate and interesting, as opposed to some of the newer ideas being part of a dumbing-down of matters (such as fluff, background info, literal game rules, etc.). That's an opnion. You don't think so. That's a totally valid opnion too. Hard to argue valid opnions.
3 hours ago, Xcapobl said:Then I guess we should agree to disagree then?
I think some of the older ideas are accurate and interesting, as opposed to some of the newer ideas being part of a dumbing-down of matters (such as fluff, background info, literal game rules, etc.). That's an opnion. You don't think so. That's a totally valid opnion too. Hard to argue valid opnions.
No, I'm saying that being old doesn't make it accurate or interesting. That it's been done a certain way for a while doesn't mean it was ever a good idea to begin with.
Or a bad idea, for that matter.
4 hours ago, EliasWindrider said:Didn't read the comic(s?), so an honest question here, could she phase a capital ship through a larger object by holding on to part of it? If there is no evidence of such, it is reasonable to put a limit on how much non-living mass (or any thing besides the character's living mass if you don't want the character bringing other characters with them when they phase). I have no idea what appropriate limits are, but I presume that there are limits otherwise alderaan could be saved from the death star by phasing it at the appropriate moment. Or a player could phase the planet/starship except for the BBEG who could fall into the earth to have it solidify around/in him or the BBEG could be easily expelled from a starship into the vacuum of space. This is as I say hypothetical of course because I have no knowledge (I am not a playtester) about if/when phasing will be included in the ffg sw rpg. I also don't know if (or how many) the darkwoman had any cybernetic appendages (whether the comic specifically addresses how much stuff that is not her that she could bring with her). But again, hypothetically, there could be other force powers besides force lightning that having any/many cybernetics prevented said cyborg force user from using. While force lightning is probably the only one statted in the game right now, that could conceivably change.
Pardon me for saying this but your response to my public speculation about what other limitations a cyborg force user might have seemed a little hostile. I'm intending to converse not argue. I hope that nothing bad is going on in real life for you.
Please don't speculate about my personal life. That's rude.
Suggesting that because your robot arm won't fall off when you phase it somehow follows that you can phase entire planets seems a bit... out there.
It's not like I dismissed the very idea of any limitations on this power. I corrected you on the ones we see in action, and I argued against the introduction of additional limitations not evident in the comic (your robot arm falling off when you phase).
2 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:Please don't speculate about my personal life. That's rude.
Suggesting that because your robot arm won't fall off when you phase it somehow follows that you can phase entire planets seems a bit... out there.
It's not like I dismissed the very idea of any limitations on this power. I corrected you on the ones we see in action, and I argued against the introduction of additional limitations not evident in the comic (your robot arm falling off when you phase).
I disagree that expressing geniune concern for fellow forum members is rude.
The problem with your statement is that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Honest question (because I haven't read the comics): what limitations of phasing are actually evidenced in the comics? Does it actually show that the darkwoman *couldn't* space an adversary by phasing everything in a starship but him? If not then by your stated conditions it should be allowed, but I don't think that's what you intended.
Another honest question (because I haven't read the comics), probably closer to what you intended (as opposed to what you said), what potential limitations are evidenced as not being actual limitations? Does it show a robot arm NOT being lost when a character phased?
You're definitely stepping into rude ad hominem territory here, don't try to spin it as concern.
Also, I think trying to interpret hard, prescriptive limitations to force powers is kind of silly. The force has consistently been as powerful as the plot needs it to be, and by its nature in the setting, it's not something you can really measure.
6 minutes ago, Tom Cruise said:You're definitely stepping into rude ad hominem territory here, don't try to spin it as concern.
Also, I think trying to interpret hard, prescriptive limitations to force powers is kind of silly. The force has consistently been as powerful as the plot needs it to be, and by its nature in the setting, it's not something you can really measure.
Whether or not you believe it, it was genuine concern. Stan has never been even midly hostile towards me before and any time I've seen him involved in a heated discussion on these boards he wasn't the one to start it. So yes I was genuinely concerned. That you can't see my face or hear my voice is probably why you doubted my sincerety.