If Kylo could equip Advanced Targeting Computer at full price (5 points), would it be worth it to equip? Would it be broken? Would it be just what the Silencer needs?

Why would it need more than what it already has? It looks strong to me.

He would prefer to save the system slot for advanced sensors though.

41 minutes ago, tangoraven said:

He would prefer to save the system slot for advanced sensors though.

I dunno, adding a bonus crit would certainly be quite potent.

Even as it is, I wouldn't discount FCS on the thing, for an extra offensive mod even while arc dodging...

3 minutes ago, Reiver said:

I dunno, adding a bonus crit would certainly be quite potent.

Even as it is, I wouldn't discount FCS on the thing, for an extra offensive mod even while arc dodging...

But never getting shot by anything is better than extra damage...

4 minutes ago, Astech said:

But never getting shot by anything is better than extra damage...

Have you heard of turrets?

2 minutes ago, RufusDaMan said:

Have you heard of turrets?

*Cough* autothrusters *Cough*

If Kylo is getting damaged by a turret, he's either playing against HLC Dash or not playing right.

Just now, Astech said:

*Cough* autothrusters *Cough*

If Kylo is getting damaged by a turret, he's either playing against HLC Dash or not playing right.

He doesn't have evade and green dice can roll blanks. AT isn't an impenetrable defense.

2 minutes ago, Astech said:

*Cough* autothrusters *Cough*

If Kylo is getting damaged by a turret, he's either playing against HLC Dash or not playing right.

As a former BroBot player, allow me to attest that Autothrusters by itself, or even Autothrusters with a Focus is no guarantee at all of being safe from turrets.

1 minute ago, RufusDaMan said:

He doesn't have evade and green dice can roll blanks. AT isn't an impenetrable defense.

I should clarify. If Kylo is getting meaningfully damaged by a turret then he's not being flown right. Autothrusters and focus means that unless they're rolling 3 hits, you're very nearly invulnerable, to say nothing of other modifiers like Range 3 against PWTs. Kylo has 6 hull, with very good offensive power (to say nothing of IWSYTDS stopping many attacks altogether). Sure, a PWT might get in a few lucky hits, but if pre-nerf Dengar can't burn down kylo before he dies with out of arc shots, Kylo wins the exchange. And Dengar can't kill Kylo before Kylo kills Dengar.

3 minutes ago, DR4CO said:

As a former BroBot player, allow me to attest that Autothrusters by itself, or even Autothrusters with a Focus is no guarantee at all of being safe from turrets.

Brobots don't have a small base, boost + barrel roll to guarantee being out of arc, nor PS 9 and an amazing defensive ability. Kylo might get damaged, but in the end he'll be destroying more than he loses against all turrets except Dash.

AdvS PtL is INCREDIBLY potent...so much so that I would be willing to pay more for it than an extra crit, let alone less.

Of course, the meta can change that. Against Fenn and Defenders, 49 Corran was pretty **** near useless. Now that both of those are a lot less prevalent...he ain’t too shabby.

nah, Adv Sensors is better for the Silencer. Only reason you don't see it on the Advanced is because they need ATC to deal damage.

2 hours ago, Ailowynn said:

Of course, the meta can change that. Against Fenn and Defenders, 49 Corran was pretty **** near useless. Now that both of those are a lot less prevalent...he ain’t too shabby.

Actually, Fat Corran was and remains pretty good vs Defenders. His double-tap is excellent at punching through the token stacks and if you can get it down to a 1v1 he wins every time.

3 hours ago, Astech said:

I should clarify. If Kylo is getting meaningfully damaged by a turret then he's not being flown right. Autothrusters and focus means that unless they're rolling 3 hits, you're very nearly invulnerable, to say nothing of other modifiers like Range 3 against PWTs. Kylo has 6 hull, with very good offensive power (to say nothing of IWSYTDS stopping many attacks altogether). Sure, a PWT might get in a few lucky hits, but if pre-nerf Dengar can't burn down kylo before he dies with out of arc shots, Kylo wins the exchange. And Dengar can't kill Kylo before Kylo kills Dengar.

Brobots don't have a small base, boost + barrel roll to guarantee being out of arc, nor PS 9 and an amazing defensive ability. Kylo might get damaged, but in the end he'll be destroying more than he loses against all turrets except Dash.

Your choice of exception puzzles me. I used to fly Brobots as well, and if I had vi, dash was one of the easiest to fly against - the range one bubble could save your butt.

No, it's the others that can be a problem - 3agi, focus, and autothrusters can still let damage through far too easily to be complacent.

Also speaking as a Brobots player, I can say that their 'standard' build is there for a reason: every upgrade on the ship is boosting its dice one way or another. AdvS is awesome on them too - one of my favorite ways to fly any ship in the game, in fact - but at the end of the day, if your dial and your skills are good enough, you can fly well enough to live without it.

And then maximising jousting can values ends up the better deal once more.

1 hour ago, Reiver said:

Your choice of exception puzzles me. I used to fly Brobots as well, and if I had vi , dash was one of the easiest to fly against - the range one bubble could save your butt.

No, it's the others that can be a problem - 3agi, focus, and autothrusters can still let damage through far too easily to be complacent.

Also speaking as a Brobots player, I can say that their 'standard' build is there for a reason: every upgrade on the ship is boosting its dice one way or another. AdvS is awesome on them too - one of my favorite ways to fly any ship in the game, in fact - but at the end of the day, if your dial and your skills are good enough, you can fly well enough to live without it.

And then maximising jousting can values ends up the better deal once more.

Dash is the only ship with a 4 die turret (except Kavil, but he has way too many issues to run competitively). Because he has 4 dice he can punch through any AGI3 ship's defenses with ease if they don't have the evade action, whereas a TLT cannot roll more than 3 hits. I've personally found Dash very easy to fly against higher PS arc-dodging/fast ships - you just use your wingmen as blockers.

My point was that if you're getting damaged outside of arc with Autothrusters- it's going to be 1 damage at most (unless you get triple blanks at just the wrong time, but let's not go there). kylo can easily do 2 damage a turn to a fat turret (except Lone Wolf Dash or Fat Falcons), even when arc-dodging.

The point of Advanced sensors high PS builds is specifically in the case of equally skilled and higher skilled players. If your opponent is running a jousting list (Say BBBBZ) and you're running Kylo, you're likely to never take damage, no matter how good they are.

Jousting values are all well and good, but you've got to get a ship in your arc first.

11 hours ago, DR4CO said:

Actually, Fat Corran was and remains pretty good vs Defenders. His double-tap is excellent at punching through the token stacks and if you can get it down to a 1v1 he wins every time.

Well yeah, 49 Corran auto wins pretty much any 1v1 matchup in the game...but it takes time. Against really tanky lists, I had trouble dealing enough damage to outpace them; and without the target lock, the double taps could be a bit of a crapshoot. If you blank, then you’re out of the fight for a few turns. It’s not that he couldn’t beat Defenders and what not; it’s just that 48 Corran could do it better, for less, and you knew you would be facing a lot of lists like that.

Now that low, consistent damage is the meta, though, 49 Corran is golden. You don’t often see more than one Defender in a list, and you practically never have to deal with Palpatine. Fenn is a pain, but he’s pretty rare thanks to Nym.

eh, the ability is second fiddle

it's more that he's PS 9 on what is shaping out to be an insane dial with PTL + Sensors + primed thrusters. The amount of movement flexibility is just idiotic, so we should all be grateful that the ability isn't particularly synergistic with the ship

from our limited look the ship is an arc-dodger and otherwise too...not an x7 for its price to run as much else, atm. ATC would not be particularly great here, but that's why grandpappy Vader can always hang around