5 hours ago, Hawkman2000 said:

Even young dragons at minimum should only exist at the 200pt level. Adults could easily come in at 600pts+.

In games like Heroclix, battles involving Thanos or Galactus include one person playing the bad guy and a few people playing hero teams. Even then it’s pretty competitive with the fight going to the last man/woman. D&D campaigns involving an adult dragon fight usually include fully geared and max level parties of heroes with NPC support.

I would also think the dragon would need flight powers that could be neutralized at some point in the battle whether through massive damage or another scenario effect. But until that time, the dragon would have free reign to fly and breath weapon at will.

You are comparing the wrong games, Warhammer Fantasy is they bench mark here, they have dragons in that game, yes they have slightly larger scaled points but it is the style of game RW emulates, lets not compare apples and oranges.

No its comparable with WC3 get it right....

ITT:

Rebalance the entire game into DragonWars!

1 hour ago, Willange said:

At 200 points, I consistently see this game take around 90 mins from opening the box to beginning to clean up. It takes a while to put all the guys on the trays and whatnot. I could see 60 minutes being realistic though in the future.

Now that I can see, but tournaments generally expect you to arrive 30 early, submit your list (if required at that level), and ha e your army out and ready for round 1. Yeah 90 minutes for a single play cradle to grave is quite reasonable. But you aren't exactly doing that in a timed OP game.

2 hours ago, OzKillswitch said:

AT-ST has 2 people riding in it and a Dragon has 1 in most games riding on it, so I would say they are comparable in size. It all depends on the dragon in the world.

Like I said, any dragon worth fighting. Smaug, Tiamat, Ballerion.

AT-ST is 9 meters tall. Even the Hungarian Horntail from Harry Potter is 15 meters, and he’s a tiny dragon. Smaug is estimated to be 60 meters, and Ballerion the dread is estimated to be 76 meters.

So any dragon worth fighting is let’s say 20 meters or greater, you know, the length of an AT-AT. I could’ve went with 22 meters, or the height of an AT-AT but I’ll be generous.

9 meters is a baby dragon. Do you like to hit babies?

2 minutes ago, flightmaster101 said:

Like I said, any dragon worth fighting. Smaug, Tiamat, Ballerion.

AT-ST is 9 meters tall. Even the Hungarian Horntail from Harry Potter is 15 meters, and he’s a tiny dragon. Smaug is estimated to be 60 meters, and Ballerion the dread is estimated to be 76 meters.

So any dragon worth fighting is let’s say 20 meters or greater, you know, the length of an AT-AT. I could’ve went with 22 meters, or the height of an AT-AT but I’ll be generous.

9 meters is a baby dragon. Do you like to hit babies?

Any of those dragons exist in the Terrinoth universe? Nope? Didn't think so. While they are a great comparison, it's a futile one since we have comparisons that exist in this universe. In fact, dragon sculpts already exist in the Descent 2e universe. Now, they are not exactly scaled for R:MG, but we're talking about 10% difference. Dragons in this universe are much, much smaller than others. I fully expect to see them at some point, and am very curious as to how they're be played!

6 minutes ago, rebellightworks said:

Any of those dragons exist in the Terrinoth universe? Nope? Didn't think so.

1)Easy, it’s a friendly conversation and I doubt FFG is going to bring us in the room during the design phase so it’s all BS conjecture anyways.

9 minutes ago, rebellightworks said:

Dragons in this universe are much, much smaller than others

2)Then they’re not worth fighting ?

I dunno, I can think of plenty of ways to incorporate smaller dragons and still give them "teeth". Breath attacks spring immediately to mind, as well as lots of panic shenanigans, fear auras and the like. Take deathmist banners, swap the damage for panic tokens, etc. but as a unique upgrade.

Does Toothless count as a dragon worth fighting? I wouldn't want to fight him. Especially if he's flying anywhere near me.

4 minutes ago, rebellightworks said:

Does Toothless count as a dragon worth fighting? I wouldn't want to fight him. Especially if he's flying anywhere near me.

Why would you ever want to fight toothless (who is 10 meters, still greater than 9)? He’s a good guy! His mom/dad/huge boss dragon was the bad guy. And he/she/it checked all the size boxes tho.

Because I play Waiqar, so the dragons would be on my side! Muhahaha

Then I really don’t get why you’re making the case for a smaller dragon.

But you will get to fight Pegasi (or whatever their called in Runewars), which will be around toothless’ size.

The lego dragon is only like twice the height of a minifigure and I wouldnt want to run into that guy in Lego City

17 hours ago, Willange said:

At 200 points, I consistently see this game take around 90 mins from opening the box to beginning to clean up. It takes a while to put all the guys on the trays and whatnot. I could see 60 minutes being realistic though in the future. For now, many of my matches include 1 or 2 rules clarifications, lots of joking around and side distractions, and fairly often my opponents don't have their army all the way built. I'm also including putting all the figures in trays and whatnot. Many of these things could be done beforehand or done without, but I just consider them to be part of a realistic gaming experience for any game outside of tournaments. Or maybe you're including all that too and I'm just really slow at games.

Yeah I think the playtime is much closer to 60 minutes as you said, if people come with their list presorted and ready. Then they just have to set up their cards and trays. I also recommend magnetizing your little dudes and trays! Makes assembling them really quick.

14 hours ago, flightmaster101 said:

2)Then they’re not worth fighting ?

To quote yoda..
"Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? You should not!"

i actually find the colossal dragon thing to be more annoying than cool. Sure they look impressive being as tall as a skyscraper but its impracticable as **** to fight something with that big a size difference.

Not to mention it wouldnt work except in a movie/Monster Hunter type video game.

edit: also yes magnetize the figures. Seriously. The little pegs they intended us to use are horrible! They never seem to fit right so my guys are like halfway seated and pop off easily.
The narrow magnets that fit in the already existing hole and a flat, steel disc on the base is adequate. Thats what i use and they hold quite well (gotta do a bit more for cavalry and siege obviously)

14 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

To quote yoda..
"Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? You should not!"

i actually find the colossal dragon thing to be more annoying than cool. Sure they look impressive being as tall as a skyscraper but its impracticable as **** to fight something with that big a size difference.

Not to mention it wouldnt work except in a movie/Monster Hunter type video game.

edit: also yes magnetize the figures. Seriously. The little pegs they intended us to use are horrible! They never seem to fit right so my guys are like halfway seated and pop off easily.
The narrow magnets that fit in the already existing hole and a flat, steel disc on the base is adequate. Thats what i use and they hold quite well (gotta do a bit more for cavalry and siege obviously)

Yes yes yes... magnets and disks are so much nicer than the pegs.

Most of my army has been converted, except for the newer units I have acquired.

2 hours ago, Aetheriac said:

Yes yes yes... magnets and disks are so much nicer than the pegs.

Most of my army has been converted, except for the newer units I have acquired.

Just snipping the pegs would be an improvement, not sure what the idea was there.

My August ordered resupply of magnets.... How I wish thee came to pass.

i drilled the holes in the base bottoms and widened them to 3mm so theres no resistance against the pegs at all. works fine so far, i rarly but them trays upside down.

3 hours ago, Vineheart01 said:

Size matters not

If this was actually true you wouldn't mind signing over say 90% of your net worth, becasue the size of you bank account matters not.

your stuff owns you

@Wraithist and I played a 400 point game with some friends, it took forever but it was interesting to see.

On 10/30/2017 at 4:46 PM, TylerTT said:

Ehh. Having played descent the dragons in runewars are not super huge.we will likely see undead dragons soon.

When I said epic I meant larger point value games. Though I’m sure they could do huge models

When I was chatting to the guys on the FFG stall at the UK Games Expo earlier this year I asked about the undead dragon in the Waiqar artwork, and they did admit that they're planning on having it in the game.

Granted they could have just been trying to get me to buy something, but they seemed sincere enough about it.

On 31/10/2017 at 7:00 AM, Hawkman2000 said:

True, but those Descent dragons also had to fit on limited tile space whereas RW fits on a huge feet by feet tabletop. With RW the sky (and cost) is the limit on size.

Good point. Although looking at BattleLore where they presumably would have had the opportunity to "upscale" the dragons (especially as they were on a flight stand), they kept them roughly Descent size:

I feel like I’m the only person who has no desire whatsoever to see dragons in this game.

I don’t see how any dragon worth the name isn’t going to be 100+ points for a single figure. Then, the game entirely revolves around putting all the wounds on the dragon to kill it. If you do, then you tally points. If you don’t kill the dragon, you lost. I don’t want Games revolving around that all or nothing points breakdown. The same stupid crap was a problem in XWMG before they gave partial kill credit and in STAW before they limited units to 50 points (out of 120 army)

Now, if each leg, the body, the head, and the tail are all separate trays and we can dismember the dragon for partial credit, then I might be in

Why do dragons need to be 100+? Beowulf slew a dragon ( and dief, but he was like, old). Heroes slay dragons, alone, in fantasy all over. 50-60 pt dragons, in line with heroes, is cool by me. We don't need to be facing down a great red wyrm (unless we're Beowulf).

They are heroes cause they did the improbable. A 40 point hero taking a 100 point dragon down is improbable.