27 minutes ago, Tvayumat said:You realize you can already play as big a game as you want, right?
The standard competitive game size doesn't really need to change for you to get what you want.
Straw man. Everyone already knows that.
Because we totally need to talk about Tournament points
Well that's not really a straw man, just pointing out the obvious but strangely unmentioned.
Why do you think Dragons will be for non tourney games? Using Legion as an e.g. the AT ST will cost you just under 1/2 your touny points so the same could be done for big monsters like dragons. The AT-ST is said to be really strong but has a weakness, it's rear, so it needs to be supported.
1 hour ago, OzKillswitch said:Why do you think Dragons will be for non tourney games? Using Legion as an e.g. the AT ST will cost you just under 1/2 your touny points so the same could be done for big monsters like dragons. The AT-ST is said to be really strong but has a weakness, it's rear, so it needs to be supported.
Dragon is more AT-AT than AT-ST.
7 minutes ago, flightmaster101 said:Dragon is more AT-AT than AT-ST.
I suppose it depends on the dragon.
1 hour ago, flightmaster101 said:Dragon is more AT-AT than AT-ST.
That's assuming quite a bit, isn't it?
I don't see the needed of increase the army limit in competitive organised play. You can play what ever you want outside of OP. On OP the limit of 200 points is a really good limit to make the game fast and fun, to have to make choices on what to field and because of that you will face different armies and playing styles.
x-wing has epic. why not this?
The 200 point limit serves two purposes.
1. A game can be completed in 90 minutes. Increasing the point limit generally means more units which will increase turn time when it comes to planning and resolving actions.
2. It means you need to make difficult choices as to what to include/exclude in your army. This should be seen as a strength, not a weakness of the game. I am glad I cannot build exactly what I'd like to play, it means my opponent must make those some difficult choices too. This is a sign of a robust game design/mechanic.
I agree, I think we will see "epic" units in the future, once all 4 armies are fleshed out more, hopefully announced at GenCon in 2018. Along with the epic units will be an epic game format with more points, just like x-wing.
Rob
37 minutes ago, Asmo said:The 200 point limit serves two purposes.
1. A game can be completed in 90 minutes. Increasing the point limit generally means more units which will increase turn time when it comes to planning and resolving actions.
My experience is a 200 pt game is more about 60 minutes tops, 45 with quick opponents. 90 would be rather painfully slow play.
Edited by Darthain11 hours ago, Tvayumat said:That's assuming quite a bit, isn't it?
Yes. I'm assuming it's a dragon worth fighting.
Edit: If Runewars dragons are like AT-STs then then once Daqan and Latari get 3ft teddy bears the dragons wont be an issue.
Edited by flightmaster101I think adding dragons would be a mistake, if at all possible. There's no way to accurately represent their flying ability. Then there would be complaints of "my dragon flys, why do I have to stop movement for contacting your Spearmen?"
Edited by darkjawa103probably just give them the Wraith treatment. I.e. you just cant land on them (or terrain) to avoid tray overlap problems and "Did you engage me or just land on me?"
Still, i doubt we'll see dragons. Theyre massive. Or at the very least we wont see the real dragons, we might see smaller wyverns or wyrms, or even just young dragons that arent even remotely fully grown (thus not as huge) but still quite deadly.
Even young dragons at minimum should only exist at the 200pt level. Adults could easily come in at 600pts+.
In games like Heroclix, battles involving Thanos or Galactus include one person playing the bad guy and a few people playing hero teams. Even then it’s pretty competitive with the fight going to the last man/woman. D&D campaigns involving an adult dragon fight usually include fully geared and max level parties of heroes with NPC support.
I would also think the dragon would need flight powers that could be neutralized at some point in the battle whether through massive damage or another scenario effect. But until that time, the dragon would have free reign to fly and breath weapon at will.
36 minutes ago, Hawkman2000 said:
In games like Heroclix, battles involving Thanos or Galactus include one person playing the bad guy and a few people playing hero teams. Even then it’s pretty competitive with the fight going to the last man/woman.
Played Ogre?
3 hours ago, Darthain said:My experience is a 200 pt game is more about 60 minutes tops, 45 with quick opponents. 90 would be rather painfully slow play.
Does that timer start at deployment? Deployment seems so **** important in this game. People should be spending a good amount of time there.
33 minutes ago, Glucose98 said:Does that timer start at deployment? Deployment seems so **** important in this game. People should be spending a good amount of time there.
It is important but not as important as armada (maybe a medium wargame), and if you take 30 minutes to deploy your army, I'll probably shoot you (or myself) as A it isn't near that difficult and B this is a light wargame. The 45-60 includes deployment. If you don't have a plan, you are done anyway.
There are no long games only slow players is my experience in gaming the world over.
Edited by DarthainEhh. Having played descent the dragons in runewars are not super huge.we will likely see undead dragons soon.
When I said epic I meant larger point value games. Though I’m sure they could do huge models
10 hours ago, TylerTT said:x-wing has epic. why not this?
True, but what other FFG game has an epic analog?
1 hour ago, TylerTT said:Ehh. Having played descent the dragons in runewars are not super huge.we will likely see undead dragons soon.
When I said epic I meant larger point value games. Though I’m sure they could do huge models
Yea! - Undead dragons! m04r!
3 hours ago, TylerTT said:Ehh. Having played descent the dragons in runewars are not super huge.we will likely see undead dragons soon.
When I said epic I meant larger point value games. Though I’m sure they could do huge models
True, but those Descent dragons also had to fit on limited tile space whereas RW fits on a huge feet by feet tabletop. With RW the sky (and cost) is the limit on size.
3 hours ago, Darthain said:It is important but not as important as armada (maybe a medium wargame), and if you take 30 minutes to deploy your army, I'll probably shoot you (or myself) as A it isn't near that difficult and B this is a light wargame. The 45-60 includes deployment. If you don't have a plan, you are done anyway.
There are no long games only slow players is my experience in gaming the world over.
At 200 points, I consistently see this game take around 90 mins from opening the box to beginning to clean up. It takes a while to put all the guys on the trays and whatnot. I could see 60 minutes being realistic though in the future. For now, many of my matches include 1 or 2 rules clarifications, lots of joking around and side distractions, and fairly often my opponents don't have their army all the way built. I'm also including putting all the figures in trays and whatnot. Many of these things could be done beforehand or done without, but I just consider them to be part of a realistic gaming experience for any game outside of tournaments. Or maybe you're including all that too and I'm just really slow at games.
inb4 we get ForgedWars (forgeworld for runewars) with ludicrously overprized and oversized models....lol....
(yes i know gw and ffg ties thats not the point)
How much do you guys know about Terrinoth dragons?
They're not all gigantic, and they can't all fly.
Edited by Tvayumat19 hours ago, flightmaster101 said:Dragon is more AT-AT than AT-ST.
AT-ST has 2 people riding in it and a Dragon has 1 in most games riding on it, so I would say they are comparable in size. It all depends on the dragon in the world.