13 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Isytds happens *instead* of suffering a critical damage. Harpooned does not.

Exactly. I'll Show You The Dark Side explicitly 'uses up' the critical damage result.

Harpooned requires one to trigger (during an attack, so Vader can't set one off any more than he can trigger I'll Show You The Dark Side) but goes off "as well as".

On 10/29/2017 at 3:00 PM, DR4CO said:

Your interpretation is correct. Suffering damage and being dealt a damage card are separate things. Since Jostero looks for the former, BMST doing the latter doesn't trigger him.

Ditto Wampa, ditto Proton Bombs and ditto Advanced Homing Missiles (not that the former could be in the same squad as Jostero).

On ‎10‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 7:48 PM, thespaceinvader said:

Isytds happens *instead* of suffering a critical damage. Harpooned does not.

RTFC.

yeah do that, the key word is not instead, its suffers in this instance. If Ship A "suffers" the crit result and Ship B "suffers" it instead and is thus not the defender, CJ can shoot at Ship B, because it "suffered" the damage. And my point stands valid. A ship can "suffer" damage but not lose shields. Maybe you should read the original post or in this case the follow-up.

Oh for Heaven's sake, not you again...

No, you can't suffer damage without losing shields. You can be "dealt a [face down/up] damage card" without losing shields, which is what IWSYTDS, Black Market Slicer Tools and Harpooned! do, but that is absolutely not the same as suffering damage.

In the case of Draw Their Fire, the key word very much is instead. Your buddy is suffering the critical damage instead of you, which means it's not happening to you anymore.

And finally, yes, Draw Their Fire is sufficient to trigger Jostero, because your buddy has suffered damage and was not defending against an attack.

1 hour ago, DR4CO said:

Oh for Heaven's sake, not you again...

No, you can't suffer damage without losing shields. You can be "dealt a [face down/up] damage card" without losing shields, which is what IWSYTDS, Black Market Slicer Tools and Harpooned! do, but that is absolutely not the same as suffering damage.

In the case of Draw Their Fire, the key word very much is instead. Your buddy is suffering the critical damage instead of you, which means it's not happening to you anymore.

And finally, yes, Draw Their Fire is sufficient to trigger Jostero, because your buddy has suffered damage and was not defending against an attack.

Yep me again and I'll do this all day. Read ISYTDS "

When this card is assigned, if it is not already in play, the player who assigned it searches the Damage deck for 1 Damage card with the Pilot trait and may place it faceup on this card. Then shuffle the damage deck.

When you suffer critical damage during an attack, you are instead dealt the chosen faceup Damage card.

When there is no Damage card on this card, remove it."

Please note where it says WHEN you "suffer", yes you are INSTEAD dealt the chosen card, however to get to that point where you are dealt the card you must "SUFFER" critical damage.

Now the sad part is, I am in agreement with you all again. I am not arguing any point, just stated in response to a question that you could in-fact suffer damage without loosing shields. WHICH IS EXACTLY what ISYTDS does. You "suffer" critical damage, do not lose a shield because you are dealt the chosen card.

No. You would suffer it, but instead you do something else.

Draw their Fire makes someone else suffer it instead of you.

Goddammit FFG why didn't you FAQ this card.

10 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

No. You would suffer it, but instead you do something else.

Draw their Fire makes someone else suffer it instead of you.

Goddammit FFG why didn't you FAQ this card.

Do they really need to FAQ it? Or is it more a case of some people just have poor reading comprehension?

19 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

Do they really need to FAQ it? Or is it more a case of some people just have poor reading comprehension?

It genuinely does need FAQing, there are some questions about it that just don't have answers at the moment - mostly regarding timing of the 'when you are destroyed' trigger (the rules are inconsistent as to when destruction actually happens, especially when Simultaneous Fire is involved), and the timing of when the condition is applied.

This isn't one of those questions, but it might as well be answered at the same time.

I think part of the problem is understanding what "suffering critical damage" is. It doesn't have anything to do with losing shields, or even taking a card from the top of the damage deck and flipping it face up. Suffering critical damage simply means that a (kaboom) result was not cancelled during the compare results step. Losing a shield or flipping a damage card face up or triggering I'll Show You the Dark Side condition cards is subsequently an effect of not cancelling that kaboom result. If there's a kaboom on the table and you didn't roll (+ mods) enough evades to cancel it (or any if the attacker is Zeb or using an autoblaster cannon), then you're suffering critical damage. Move to the next step.

I am confused by the wording of Captain Josteros pilot ability:

"Once per round, after an enemy ship that is not defending against an attack suffers damage or critical damage, you may perform an attack against that ship. "

Does this mean he can also attack ships outside his firing arc? Because for example Dengar explicitly states, that the attacking ship has to be in arc:

"Once per round after defending, if the attacker is inside your firing arc, you may perform an attack against that ship."

But on the other hand Dengar has a native turret, so I guess that is why.

5 minutes ago, c3lb said:

I am confused by the wording of Captain Josteros pilot ability:

"Once per round, after an enemy ship that is not defending against an attack suffers damage or critical damage, you may perform an attack against that ship. "

Does this mean he can also attack ships outside his firing arc? Because for example Dengar explicitly states, that the attacking ship has to be in arc:

"Once per round after defending, if the attacker is inside your firing arc, you may perform an attack against that ship."

But on the other hand Dengar has a native turret, so I guess that is why.

The target has to be inside Jostero’s arc as he has no way of shooting outside it. Dengars ability specifically limits it to in-arc because it would be bat **** overpowered if he could do it outside of arc.

That's what I thought, thanks.

6 hours ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

The target has to be inside Jostero’s arc as he has no way of shooting outside it. Dengars ability specifically limits it to in-arc because it would be bat **** overpowered if he could do it outside of arc.

Though, if Jostero has a means of attacking a ship outside of his arc, such as Hot Shot Blaster, he can do so since his ability is not limited to his primary weapon.

2 minutes ago, joeshmoe554 said:

Though, if Jostero has a means of attacking a ship outside of his arc, such as Hot Shot Blaster, he can do so since his ability is not limited to his primary weapon.

Correct, he could use HSB to perform the attack from his ability. It might even be worth taking on him, conceivably, if there was a good squad you could work up that could trigger it reliably, and maybe include Jabba to alleviate the cost.