If I shoot a ship using Harpoon missiles with Captain Jostero, score and resolve the crit, and have the defender suffer damage from the harpooned condition, will that trigger his ability? Or does the defending ship count as still having been a defender of an attack, so that it wouldn't?

The condition is not applied to the defender until after the attack (and damage dealing) is resolved. This means you cannot trigger a harpoon missile with the same harpoon missile because there is nothing to trigger.

But if Jostero shoots a Harpooned target and gets an uncancelled crit, he gets to double tap it if he wants.

26 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

But if Jostero shoots a Harpooned target and gets an uncancelled crit, he gets to double tap it if he wants.

I'm not so sure.

The Harpooned condition goes off during the Deal Damage step, which is still part of the attack (as you must complete this step before getting to after attacking abilities).

He'd get to shoot anyone caught by the splash damage, certainly, but his target is off limits, I think.

Valid, yes.

23 minutes ago, DR4CO said:

The Harpooned condition goes off during the Deal Damage step

The trigger is when the target is hit, surely?

Quite right. Definitely during the attack for purposes of the good Captain, though.

It's also worth noting for the purposes of Jostero that being dealt damage, and being dealt a damage CARD are not the same thing. Jostero triggers off the former (which leads to the latter sometimes) but not off the latter.

21 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

It's also worth noting for the purposes of Jostero that being dealt damage, and being dealt a damage CARD are not the same thing. Jostero triggers off the former (which leads to the latter sometimes) but not off the latter.

So Jostero would not trigger off of Black Market Slicers Tools?

13 minutes ago, SkullNBones said:

So Jostero would not trigger off of Black Market Slicers Tools?

No. But he would trigger off Feedback Array. Whether he would trigger off his own Array however is open to questioning.

1 hour ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

No. But he would trigger off Feedback Array. Whether he would trigger off his own Array however is open to questioning.

He would. Feedback Array is instead of attacking, thus no declared defender.

Nope. The trigger is fine but Feedback Array stops him performing the attack.

23 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Nope. The trigger is fine but Feedback Array stops him performing the attack.

Yeah, that's what I thought because of the wording of FA. Specifically, the "instead of performing any attacks,". If it had read, "instead of performing an attack" you'd probably be able to do it off hos own FA.

Can't see the basis for that. It does not say (or imply) 'cannot', which is inviolate, but the golden rule says do what's written on the card.

Now, would he trigger off of Dace Bonearm's ability to force a ship to suffer damage after receiving and ION token, even if the ION was token received from an attack, since the ION token was received during the combat phase?

46 minutes ago, SkullNBones said:

Now, would he trigger off of Dace Bonearm's ability to force a ship to suffer damage after receiving and ION token, even if the ION was token received from an attack, since the ION token was received during the combat phase?

Yes.

5 hours ago, SkullNBones said:

Now, would he trigger off of Dace Bonearm's ability to force a ship to suffer damage after receiving and ION token, even if the ION was token received from an attack, since the ION token was received during the combat phase?

If a ship received an ion token during an attack in which it is the defender, then no, Jostero cannot use his ability because no ship not defending is taking damage. If a ship not defending took damage (say from Ion Torpedoes leading to Dace's ability), then yes, you could use Jostero.

On 10/28/2017 at 11:40 AM, InquisitorM said:

Can't see the basis for that. It does not say (or imply) 'cannot', which is inviolate, but the golden rule says do what's written on the card.

It's in the FAQ:

So, just to go back to BMST for a moment...

On 10/27/2017 at 11:34 PM, SkullNBones said:

So Jostero would not trigger off of Black Market Slicers Tools?

I'm trying to wrap my head around this, so tell me if this is the correct interpretation... when a ship suffers damage, it goes through the normal process of first removing shields, then dealing damage cards face down or up as necessary. But Black Market Slicer Tools doesn't cause a ship to "suffer" damage, it simply assigns a damage card to the ship (underneath its shields, if relevant). Since Jostero explicitly triggers upon a ship suffering damage, BMST doesn't meet the criteria?

Your interpretation is correct. Suffering damage and being dealt a damage card are separate things. Since Jostero looks for the former, BMST doing the latter doesn't trigger him.

I'm planning on using him alongside a ship carrying bomblet generator. Seems to be the most consistent way of triggering the ability, along with Harpoon Missiles.

13 hours ago, emeraldbeacon said:

So, just to go back to BMST for a moment...

I'm trying to wrap my head around this, so tell me if this is the correct interpretation... when a ship suffers damage, it goes through the normal process of first removing shields, then dealing damage cards face down or up as necessary. But Black Market Slicer Tools doesn't cause a ship to "suffer" damage, it simply assigns a damage card to the ship (underneath its shields, if relevant). Since Jostero explicitly triggers upon a ship suffering damage, BMST doesn't meet the criteria?

Keep in mind though that suffering does not require you to remove shields, only to have not negated the hit/crit via defense results. This is why "I'll Show You The Dark Side" applies even to a ship that has shield remaining.

"When a ship suffers a damage or critical damage, it loses one shield token. If it does not have any shield tokens to lose, it is dealt one Damage card instead. For normal damage, the Damage card is dealt facedown; for critical damage, the Damage card is dealt faceup and the text on the card immediately resolves." (RR p9)

No it does. If biggs is hit by one crit and low uses draw their fire biggs suffered no damage. Low suffered 1 critical damage. You don't need to suffer damage to be HIT but that's not relevant.

15 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

No it does. If biggs is hit by one crit and low uses draw their fire biggs suffered no damage. Low suffered 1 critical damage. You don't need to suffer damage to be HIT but that's not relevant.

If it requires you to remove shields, then explain to me the ruling on ISYTDS?
Sequence as follows:
Condition applied to ship A (ISYTDS - Stunned Pilot)

Ship B attack Ship A, rolls: Hit, Hit, Crit

Ship A defends, rolls: evade, evade

Ship A has 3 shields, but rather than loose a shield to the noncancelled crit. Since the ship "Suffered" a crit it receives the Stunned Pilot card ISYTDS through its shields.
"...If a ship with this card assigned to it suffers critical damage during an attack, it must suffer the Damage card assigned to I'll Show You the Dark Side instead (even if it has shield tokens)..." (p9 FAQ 4.4.0)

It does not suffer the card and loose a shield token. Thus you can suffer damage without loosing a shield. DTF allows Ship C to suffer the crit instead of Ship A: "When a friendly ship at Range 1 is hit by an attack, you may suffer 1 of the uncanceled critical results instead of the target ship." And if Ship C had ISYTDS applied to it when it did this even if it had 4 shield remaining it would be dealt the ISYTDS card and again suffering the crit without loosing shields.

BMST does not say it causes the chosen stressed ship to suffer damage, only to be dealt a facedown damage card. So the necessary trigger word of "suffer" is not present regardless of the ship receiving a damage card. (...If an effect instructs a player to deal a Damage card to a ship, this is different from the ship suffering damage. The card is dealt to the ship regardless of whether the ship has any shield tokens remaining...RRp9)

Isytds happens *instead* of suffering a critical damage. Harpooned does not.