This is a request for FFG to do a pack of errata'ed cards for a readily available participation prize (store championship/release promos?) that have a copy of all of the errata'ed cards.

If you want something like this in the future, post something here. If it stays up on the front page consistently, maybe they will do something.

No, it won't do anything. This is not a good way to contact them.

Submit a request through the customer service page at the bottom for replacements. That will at least get someone to look at it.

Hey

I'm from across the FFG pond, over at xwing and armada

I've played exactly one game of destiny with a buddy, but I've been through gobs upon gobs and far greater numbers of similar changes

Just wanted to say your cause is just

But also "good luck...you're gonna need it"

not gonna happen.

It probably won't happen but it should happen. FFG is just going to create NPE with these changes which is ironic, since that is what they are trying to prevent.

12 minutes ago, Mep said:

It probably won't happen but it should happen. FFG is just going to create NPE with these changes which is ironic, since that is what they are trying to prevent.

Such NPEs will be one-time events, as opposed to 75% of the games I played at GenCon.

5 minutes ago, Buhallin said:

Such NPEs will be one-time events, as opposed to 75% of the games I played at GenCon.

For now, yes, but when that errata list is several pages long, it will be a common occurrence. Fixing the defective game design and then fixing the now misprinted cards is the healthiest way to manage the game.

1 minute ago, Mep said:

For now, yes, but when that errata list is several pages long, it will be a common occurrence.

I disagree. People will not have an NPE when they discover the FN errata, and another when they discover the Unkar errata, and another when they discover the Heat of Battle errata. They'll have one time when they're surprised by the errata, but then they'll know it exists and read all of it. Hopefully they'll then know to keep up with it, but worst case they'll have 2-3 experiences a year, being surprised each time a new update hits.

Right now people can keep up but if that list becomes several pages asking people to remember all the changes is too much. A few OCDers will remember all the changes but many will take the cards at face value until the surprise moment. It isn't as bad as letting the broken cards carry on, but it does need to be addressed with physical replacements rather than a downloadable PDF many don't care to read let alone comment to memory.

8 minutes ago, Mep said:

Right now people can keep up but if that list becomes several pages asking people to remember all the changes is too much. A few OCDers will remember all the changes but many will take the cards at face value until the surprise moment. It isn't as bad as letting the broken cards carry on, but it does need to be addressed with physical replacements rather than a downloadable PDF many don't care to read let alone comment to memory.

Seeing that the list is currently only half a page after one year, we can expect that it will be maybe one full page next year. That's assuming that FFG didn't learn from their early mistake (which sadly is quite possible). At that point, we might start to see a rotation which will erase half a page of errata and so on and so on. So I personally expect the relevant errata list to not be much longer than a page or two.

4 minutes ago, Red Castle said:

Seeing that the list is currently only half a page after one year, we can expect that it will be maybe one full page next year. That's assuming that FFG didn't learn from their early mistake (which sadly is quite possible). At that point, we might start to see a rotation which will erase half a page of errata and so on and so on. So I personally expect the relevant errata list to not be much longer than a page or two.

We can hope that is true and this game doesn't get as bad as X-Wing had gotten. Even if it isn't so bad for this game, they still need to be doing this for all their games.

3 hours ago, Red Castle said:

Seeing that the list is currently only half a page after one year, we can expect that it will be maybe one full page next year. That's assuming that FFG didn't learn from their early mistake (which sadly is quite possible). At that point, we might start to see a rotation which will erase half a page of errata and so on and so on. So I personally expect the relevant errata list to not be much longer than a page or two.

No, WotC headhunted the guy that lowered the cost of Phasma to fit into the 2P Box, I suspect that we will see fewer cards that cause trouble.

23 minutes ago, Amanal said:

No, WotC headhunted the guy that lowered the cost of Phasma to fit into the 2P Box, I suspect that we will see fewer cards that cause trouble.

That's also what I think, I have a lot of faith in Jeremy. EaW is my favorite set so far and I like every errata he made. I just didn't want to sound like a fanboy so I tamed my enthousiasm a little.

Most of the problematic cards were from Spirit of Rebellion and now that they're handled, I see a bright futur ahead. Can't wait to see more cards from Legacies.

11 hours ago, Mep said:

Right now people can keep up but if that list becomes several pages asking people to remember all the changes is too much. A few OCDers will remember all the changes but many will take the cards at face value until the surprise moment. It isn't as bad as letting the broken cards carry on, but it does need to be addressed with physical replacements rather than a downloadable PDF many don't care to read let alone comment to memory.

It will never become several pages due to rotation. They will have to sort that one out when it comes to that, but the one and only errata will always be maybe a dozen of cards max. And maybe then they can create some other document with larger errata for non-standard-legal cards.

You could say the NPE was already created when the 2Player set came out (even before the erratas) that the updated rule book already made the Kylo/Rey starter deck rules invalid. Not a large amount, but it's still different. The same will happen with Luke/Boba starters. They'll make the 2Player even outdated.

A new player who is looking to get into competitive scenes will do their due diligence to make sure they're up-to-date on all errata/FAQs. Little Bobby Joe and Susie Q playing with their dad at home, isn't going to care. They just want to roll dice and play with Star Wars cards!

~D

Shrug, my old flgs kept a printed copy of the rules/ errata on the counter for the tourneys, then again 8 person tourneys are pretty easy to regulate

I would be in favor of such a thing as well. But I don’t know if FFG listens.

They do seem to pay attention to this forum more than the X-Wing forum though. They don’t listen to emails at all though - I’ve been emailing them every couple days for several months asking for them to let us pick Destiny and X-Wing avatars, and they still haven’t listened...

14 hours ago, Red Castle said:

That's also what I think, I have a lot of faith in Jeremy. EaW is my favorite set so far and I like every errata he made. I just didn't want to sound like a fanboy so I tamed my enthousiasm a little.

Most of the problematic cards were from Spirit of Rebellion and now that they're handled, I see a bright futur ahead. Can't wait to see more cards from Legacies.

I agree 100%

10 hours ago, Vitalis said:

It will never become several pages due to rotation. They will have to sort that one out when it comes to that, but the one and only errata will always be maybe a dozen of cards max. And maybe then they can create some other document with larger errata for non-standard-legal cards.

If you play several FFG games it is several pages to keep up with. It is their way of operating now that has become tiresome. Errata, errata, errata and then don't put in place any mechanism to replace the misprinted cards. Their customer base is only so big and they need to make their games more accessible. The heavy use of errata does the opposite of that. They send out quarterly packs for their games, actually sell them and make money on them, and those cards only cost a penny or two to print. The money may not be there for them to do free replacements but yes, the money is there to offer some kind of replacement.

On ‎27‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 2:27 PM, Red Castle said:

Can't wait to see more cards from Legacies.

An article went pp this morning. Looking forward to finding a few starters under the Christmas tree.

Someone at my weekly game night said that a print-and-play would be fine. I have to concur.
As soon as they made the fast hands errata, I was hoping that they were planning on putting it into a quarterly op kit so as to get a good amount of corrected cards out into circulation. With these updates (balance of the force) i was hoping the same thing, but I realize that getting 8 cards with errata is more difficult than 2 (or 3).

I would be completely fine with a print-and-play pdf where we could print out the errata'ed cards and slip them in with the cards

Problem is this isn't like X-Wing, You can't mark the cards. They need to go to their factory and have a big run of errata cards done so they can get replaced.

There is a reason MtG just bans cards rather than errata them. It makes life much easier for players in the long run.

2 hours ago, Traxlenak said:

Someone at my weekly game night said that a print-and-play would be fine. I have to concur.
As soon as they made the fast hands errata, I was hoping that they were planning on putting it into a quarterly op kit so as to get a good amount of corrected cards out into circulation. With these updates (balance of the force) i was hoping the same thing, but I realize that getting 8 cards with errata is more difficult than 2 (or 3).

I would be completely fine with a print-and-play pdf where we could print out the errata'ed cards and slip them in with the cards

They’ve actually got pictures of all the errata’ed cards in the articles that go with the erratas. If any of you have Microsoft Office, just use Publisher to make said PDF. It’s actually super easy! I did that for the first set of errata’ed cards.

The problem is that, yes, everyone at tournaments plays with sleeves, but FFG can’t just expect you to have sleeves, so such a thing can never be official. They have to pretend that people will play without sleeves. For the record, my friends and I don’t use sleeves when playing for fun - it takes too long to sleeve everything when building a new deck every game.

Thanks for telling me about all of the non-character cards being in the rules update articles. I have them all downloaded now. I was actually more concerned about the updated cost (I don't know why, maybe it just seems easier to get a single updated character card rather than the 2 of most non-character cards you put into a deck). Concerning the characters, I have made some digital images, and can print them out or put them onto a double sided card and send them to a card printer, it just seems like a good idea for them to release something official.

I don't know though. Maybe it is easier just to ban the problem cards, like Mep said. It does seem to create problems when you errata cards.

Here is one of the Poe errata's I made. And an Unkar . And FN-2199 . If you want more, there is a facebook group you can join called SW Destiny Custom Cards & Rules .

Cool! Those are really nice! Thanks for sharing!

I don’t have a Facebook, sadly, otherwise I’d definitely join.

I have said for a long time that I tend to agree with both you and Mep - banning stuff might be a simpler and healthier alternative in the long run, and it makes it easier for casual events or drafts to be played without a banlist, not having to worry about the FAQ.