When is returning not removing?

Now we are into some Dragon koan stuff, here folks!

Can you slap this on an opposing character and then use stuff like the void ring effect to steal their fate?

7 hours ago, Robin Graves said:

Can you slap this on an opposing character and then use stuff like the void ring effect to steal their fate?

Sure. Just keep in mind that you can only activate it once each round, so whether you remove the fate token from them via Void Ring or just let it naturally decay at the end of the round, you're only getting one fate to your own pool. In other words, you can take the fate when you remove it with the void ring, but it's not much different than just taking it at the end of the turn.

LMAO at people who think this won't be played .... Solid offensive options ( with current and future combo potential ), okey defense option and .... Isawa Kaede makes this just value.

2x without any regards

The fact that it has a fate cost of 0 means it has a chance of seeing play. It's certainly far more useful than the other revealed Phoenix card. You know, the one that costs 5.

56 minutes ago, Kubernes said:

The fact that it has a fate cost of 0 means it has a chance of seeing play. It's certainly far more useful than the other revealed Phoenix card. You know, the one that costs 5.

But Kaede is bae!

10 minutes ago, TheItsyBitsySpider said:

But Kaede is bae!

He meant this

But Consumed and this card are best buddies! If an opponent goes all in on one guy, you can take all the fate for yourself in one fell swoop!

Honestly, Consumed by Five Fires seems like the sort of card I'll try very hard to make work and ultimately fail. At least Embrace the Void is practical.

10 minutes ago, Yogo Gohei said:

He meant this

Considering my goal is to be keeper, I have little care for this card. Its better in scorpion or Crane. Scorpion because of City of lies reduces it's cost, and Crane because Kakita Yoshi can make it cost 3 fate.

Phoenix would rather buy an actually good character with that fate.

2 minutes ago, TheItsyBitsySpider said:

Considering my goal is to be keeper, I have little care for this card. Its better in scorpion or Crane. Scorpion because of City of lies reduces it's cost, and Crane because Kakita Yoshi can make it cost 3 fate.

Phoenix would rather buy an actually good character with that fate.

I hadn't considered this in scorpion. Interesting.

If my dreams of getting Keeper fall through I will definitely be play testing this.

15 hours ago, AradonTemplar said:

Sure. Just keep in mind that you can only activate it once each round, so whether you remove the fate token from them via Void Ring or just let it naturally decay at the end of the round, you're only getting one fate to your own pool. In other words, you can take the fate when you remove it with the void ring, but it's not much different than just taking it at the end of the turn.

But I'm getting one from my opponent. Wich somehow feels better than just getting fate back from my own characters.

So this does work with Jade Tetsubo and things like Assassination? This is going to see play.

6 minutes ago, phillos said:

So this does work with Jade Tetsubo and things like Assassination? This is going to see play.

yep, confirmed by Nate French. Also intercepts fate moving from a character, such as with Kazue's ability.

10 hours ago, TheItsyBitsySpider said:

Considering my goal is to be keeper, I have little care for this card. Its better in scorpion or Crane. Scorpion because of City of lies reduces it's cost, and Crane because Kakita Yoshi can make it cost 3 fate.

Phoenix would rather buy an actually good character with that fate.

Could you use Embrace the Void on a Character with a lot of fate on it, use Consume by Five Fires, and get all the fate on that character?

2 hours ago, Shu2jack said:

Could you use Embrace the Void on a Character with a lot of fate on it, use Consume by Five Fires, and get all the fate on that character?

You can, but it seems unlikely for anyone to put more than 3 fate on a character, unless they've been super stingy or picked up some pile of fate from somewhere. I get that you're killing a big investment from an opponent, but you're paying a lot to do it. Unless you've also been super stingy or had a sudden pile of fate, it seems to me the only practical time to make this play is the dynasty phase... except you can't play attachments then, so you'd need to either have it played the turn before or wait until after cards are drawn, when you run the risk of them picking up an event cancel, which would ruin your day about the same as having Way of the Crab kill your champion.

On ‎10‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 4:38 PM, ElSuave said:

So according to Nate French-

It does look like you can use the Interrupt from Embrace the Void to collect fate from the character that is being discarded from an effect (such as assassinate).

I see nothing in Nate's response that validates this position. I do not believe that this works with ASSASSINATE

A card like ASSASSINATE - has already discarded the card and removed it from play. The fate is "removed" after the card effect of discarding has taken place therefore you would not receive the void for this.

Cards like KAZUE and JADE TETSUBO clearly have their "removal"/"moving" effect while the card is still in play, thus granting the void from EMBRACE.

I just now read the full response from Nate on the CardDB.

The fact that Nate ruled this way about all of these things happening simultaneously (character discard, attachment discard, fate "removal" from discarded card) - as per ASSASSINATION, seems like it will have some serious implications later on other cards. All hail the power of the great INTERRUPT: !

8 hours ago, Zesu Shadaban said:

You can, but it seems unlikely for anyone to put more than 3 fate on a character, unless they've been super stingy or picked up some pile of fate from somewhere. I get that you're killing a big investment from an opponent, but you're paying a lot to do it. Unless you've also been super stingy or had a sudden pile of fate, it seems to me the only practical time to make this play is the dynasty phase... except you can't play attachments then, so you'd need to either have it played the turn before or wait until after cards are drawn, when you run the risk of them picking up an event cancel, which would ruin your day about the same as having Way of the Crab kill your champion.

Even if your opponent places 2 fate on a character, you are essentially paying 3 fate for Five Flames and you can remove up to 5 fate from all his guys.

Not really paying a lot. Your opponent is paying 40-60% of the cost if you comvine it with Embrace.

Since Five Flames is a spell and not an event, Forged Edict and other event cancel doesn't work on it?

9 minutes ago, Shu2jack said:

Since Five Flames is a spell and not an event, Forged Edict and other event cancel doesn't work on it?

It's still an event. Look closely under it's 5 Fate cost.

1 hour ago, Yakamo no Oni said:

It's still an event. Look closely under it's 5 Fate cost.

Thanks for catching. Lack of sleep, thought there was a spell category. Probably won't run Five Flames unless I have the character that makes spells immune from being a target from other cards or abilities.

I reckon this spell is, more often then not, gonna immediately accompany that a guy that just got bought with +2 on him. If you could discard a card for +2 fate, you would, everywhere, forever." This is kinda that but way slower and the opponent can interact with it. It's gonna get got, but so is everything else and it cost you nothing to bait out 1/3 of their removal. No big deal. Cards solid in a any deck looking to bid 2-3 a turn. In a 1-bid kinda deck card economy is really tight. This would have to do something with honor on the way out to be viable there methinks.