2 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:If FFG releases any more rebel scum TIEs "because Sabine" I'm done for good.
Incoming Sabine's Alpha-Class Starwing
It isn't a TIE this time...
Sabine's Tie Defender Confirmed:
Just now, vbananas said:Incoming Sabine's Alpha-Class Starwing
It isn't a TIE this time...
You shut your filthy mouth!
17 minutes ago, Hawkstrike said:All I noticed was a TIE Pilot with a massive 'stache. I thought that was a Rebel-only thing?
All TIE pilots in the OT had awesome staches, even Howlrunner. Too bad we don’t see any without helmets
19 minutes ago, Hawkstrike said:All I noticed was a TIE Pilot with a massive 'stache. I thought that was a Rebel-only thing?
Imperial Biggs in a TIE Fighter, confirmed.
Would be balanced cause of the opportunity costs not to take the Sabine crew upgrade.
Crew!Sabine is a legit issue in the meta, taking bombs from not quite good enough to run all the way up to singlehandedly keeping Imperials off the table. However, that's not what I think people are complaining about.
Whenever I see people complain about Sabine, my brain translates those complaints into old people with canes screaming that those kids these days need to keep off their lawn.
Think about how cool Maarek Stele was when you first played TIE Fighter. Think about how many posts on this forum have called for him to be a pilot in basically every ship he ever piloted in that game. Heck! I've seen people annoyed that he's not in the forthcoming gunboat.
Well. For people who are fans of Star Wars today, in 2017, people who are fans of current stuff and not merely stuff made 23 years ago, Sabine Wren is Maarek Stele. Let people enjoy stuff, and stop complaining that it's not the same stuff you liked a couple decades ago.
13 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:All TIE pilots in the OT had awesome staches, even Howlrunner. Too bad we don’t see any without helmets
...then there was this guy:
33 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:Crew!Sabine is a legit issue in the meta, taking bombs from not quite good enough to run all the way up to singlehandedly keeping Imperials off the table. However, that's not what I think people are complaining about.
Whenever I see people complain about Sabine, my brain translates those complaints into old people with canes screaming that those kids these days need to keep off their lawn.
Think about how cool Maarek Stele was when you first played TIE Fighter. Think about how many posts on this forum have called for him to be a pilot in basically every ship he ever piloted in that game. Heck! I've seen people annoyed that he's not in the forthcoming gunboat.
Well. For people who are fans of Star Wars today, in 2017, people who are fans of current stuff and not merely stuff made 23 years ago, Sabine Wren is Maarek Stele. Let people enjoy stuff, and stop complaining that it's not the same stuff you liked a couple decades ago.
Ya know....this is actually super insightful.....I guess I just still have a hard time understanding the appeal of Rebels. People enjoy it and thats fine. Maybe some day I will be able to appreciate it.
Its official canon right?
I probably need to let it go and just accept that this is Star Wars now for a completely new generation.
Edited by Boom Owl38 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:Crew!Sabine is a legit issue in the meta, taking bombs from not quite good enough to run all the way up to singlehandedly keeping Imperials off the table. However, that's not what I think people are complaining about.
Whenever I see people complain about Sabine, my brain translates those complaints into old people with canes screaming that those kids these days need to keep off their lawn.
Think about how cool Maarek Stele was when you first played TIE Fighter. Think about how many posts on this forum have called for him to be a pilot in basically every ship he ever piloted in that game. Heck! I've seen people annoyed that he's not in the forthcoming gunboat.
Well. For people who are fans of Star Wars today, in 2017, people who are fans of current stuff and not merely stuff made 23 years ago, Sabine Wren is Maarek Stele. Let people enjoy stuff, and stop complaining that it's not the same stuff you liked a couple decades ago.
There are also calls for Keyan Farlander in all his ships too. The difference between the pilots of X-wing and TIE fighter, and Sabine, is that the pilots are pilots who routinely flew all the different ships of their respective factions, it was entirely mission dependent. Sabine (if I recall correctly) only ever PAINTED a TIE, never actually flew it (excluding her undercover job retrieving defecting pilots, and even then her flight experience there was in simulators.) Her character, as much as I liked it in earlier seasons, has become the ultimate in Star Wars Mary Sue. I cant recall a character more "perfect" than shes been, shes a lightsaber wielding, Mandalorian, jetpack using, EOD expert, Jango fett would be jealous gunslinger, ace pilot, near to becoming Mandalore despite the treason charges, stealthy, engineering genius, please feel free to add. Honestly, to save her from herself, they needed to kill her off, or she needed to leave the rebels to join the Mandalorians in their civil war full time.
Buuuut.... She used to be a loyal Imperial... so shouldn't the Imps have access to her and all her glory too?
PS: I say all this as a huge Rebels fan, love the show, and the direction it took.
Edited by Gadgetron55 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:Well. For people who are fans of Star Wars today, in 2017, people who are fans of current stuff and not merely stuff made 23 years ago, Sabine Wren is Maarek Stele. Let people enjoy stuff, and stop complaining that it's not the same stuff you liked a couple decades ago.
It makes sense for an ace pilot of the empire to have touched a lot of craft owned by the organization he flies for.
It's another thing when a plucky teenage space thief not only steals the best Starfighter in the Galaxy just because, but she also makes it better and paints it in a horrid eye-burning color juxtiposition.
It wounds the dignity of the Tie/D. How is anyone supposed to take the Empire seriously when thier elite fighters easily become playthings for the Rebellion?
I honestly hope Sabine either crashes it, or skerris shoots her down. The Rebels can steal lots of fighters but I draw the line at the TIE/D.
...if anyone's going to steal it, it should be an imperial warlord out to depose the Emperor. And it'll only bring out the missile boat that much sooner...
25 minutes ago, Gadgetron said:Her character, as much as I liked it in earlier seasons, has become the ultimate in Star Wars Mary Sue. I cant recall a character more "perfect" than shes been, shes a lightsaber wielding, Mandalorian, jetpack using, EOD expert, Jango fett would be jealous gunslinger, ace pilot, near to becoming Mandalore despite the treason charges, stealthy, engineering genius, please feel free to add.
On the other hand: Mara Jade. All that, plus she makes Luke Skywalker into her sidekick whenever they're together.
I mean. She even worked for the Emperor and didn't go dark side!
Just now, Punning Pundit said:On the other hand: Mara Jade. All that, plus she makes Luke Skywalker into her sidekick whenever they're together.
I mean. She even worked for the Emperor and didn't go dark side!
true, but 2 things:
1: That's Luke's wife, he has to.
2: she's legends, there's a whole lot worse than Mara or Sabine in legends....
1 minute ago, Gadgetron said:true, but 2 things:
1: That's Luke's wife, he has to.
2: she's legends, there's a whole lot worse than Mara or Sabine in legends....
I did a reread of the Thrawn trilogy a couple years back and was just shocked at how much Zhan made the OT characters kinda useless in favor of his own creations. Like: even the first time they meet, Luke just kinda... Is useless. And Mara does all the cool stuff.
Han is similarly sidelined in favor of Karde.
Leia, tho, has a cool story arc of her own.
17 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:On the other hand: Mara Jade. All that, plus she makes Luke Skywalker into her sidekick whenever they're together.
I mean. She even worked for the Emperor and didn't go dark side!
And the best part! I like Mara Jade better than Sabine because she struggles more based on the inner monologs Zahn gave her. The irony here is that Sabine struggles as well, a lot actually, but we, the audience, get to see not enough of that. So Sabine looks to us like a Super Commando out of our worsts Traviss nightmares. ;-)
BTW Zahn allowed Luke and Leia to grow a lot during his trilogy, so it's rather a bad awaking to some of the characters how lucky they were to survive their first adventure. Which actually fits the theme rather well, especially after we have seen the jedi powers in full glory in TCW and some of the comics like Vader down. It still fits rather well and makes Mara Jade still look like an agent, not even apprentice level. Competent, sure, more experienced than Luke as well, but still weak compared the properly trained ones.
Edited by SEApocalypse7 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:I did a reread of the Thrawn trilogy a couple years back and was just shocked at how much Zhan made the OT characters kinda useless in favor of his own creations. Like: even the first time they meet, Luke just kinda... Is useless. And Mara does all the cool stuff.
Han is similarly sidelined in favor of Karde.
Leia, tho, has a cool story arc of her own.
Much of that has to do with creating a viable threat. Until Vader and Thrawn, there were no viable threats in rebels, which was an issue in the earlier seasons.
It was actually Sabine!
2 hours ago, Boom Owl said:........I really was afraid of this. Just because Sabine goes near a ship on rebels does not mean the entire faction should get an iconic ship from the Imperials.
The Rebel Tie Fighter is one of my least favorite ships in the game purely because it unnecessarily messes with the visual language of the faction and offers an out right better version of the Tie Fighter to the Rebels. I don't want Imperials to get any Rebel Ships either. I am actually in the camp that I dont even want to see the YT-1300 available to Scum. If Han some day gets a Scum card it should be in a different ship. For me I feel like some things just need to be kept as faction defining pieces. Swaps are fun to think about but really take away from the feeling a faction provides. Rebel players should feel jealous when seeing the Tie Defender or Tie Fighter across from them. Just like Imperial players should feel jealous about seeing X-Wings.
If you want one then quit that Biggs protected faction and join the Empire!
I will say that the rebellion has stolen basic ties on many occassions, so I can handle that. Still, once they start really crossing the line with the advanced starfighters that aren't a dime a dozen, it becomes concerning.
46 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:...then there was this guy:
I dunno, I’m pretty sure I was rocking an awesome Stache in 1994
"Sabine flies everything, this is BS, don't give her another ship to pilot!"
Does anyone ever actually play any ships with Sabine as pilot??
I'm not a fan of cross faction anything to be honest, but if anyone were to be cross faction (whether that be the ship or the pilot) it makes sense that it would be with the imperial cadet that became a bounty hunter and then joined a rebel cell.
I feel like the hatred for Sabine's character jumping ship has kind of jumped the gun itself. (I was trying to find a way to get 'jump the shark' in that sentence too but oh well :P) Considering the spectres are still flying the nightbrother around this season, my bet is on us getting a Gauntlet fighter before 'Sabine's Defender'.
Unless this defender gets multiple episodes, you're safe, guys. Chill out.
As to the captured Tie expansion. In theory, I think it's a great addition to the game (Defectors and spies presumably steal ties on a regular basis), but I feel the execution suffered. Sabine's Masterpiece should have been free, but reduced your agility by one to represent that the cramped cockpit of a Tie Fighter becomes hard to manage when you hide extra stuff in it. As for the Captured Tie, well... I guess what we got wasn't the worst KISS rules text for an undercover Tie in a non-mission setting, but perhaps that concept was too difficult to pull off in 100/6 and should have been left for missions, since what we got frequently ends up straining credibility. To be honest, it's kind of ironic that what was an attempt to inject narrative into 100/6 is so hated by fluff fans.
7 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:Well, that's just it. The Rebels have probably stolen 1 of every ship ever made.
What would peeve me is that this ship got treatment before Shuttle Tydirium and Rogue One. Those ships need to be in the game!
There's no narrative when you play litterbox and rocks.
People are creating narrative with this game all the time. FFG doesn't officially work on it, however. In fact, they said in the last interview that they only have time to make ships, so for the rest of it we are on our own, hence the temporary explosion of alternate play threads.
What helps, and what FFG can do (since they said it is the only thing they will do), is make the ships official. Then, the community has a defined framework for the ship. So, if players want to create narrative, there is one official Shuttle Tydirium instead of four score "this is my take on Shuttle Tydirium."
And if they don't want to have it mess with the tournament scene, slap an Epic Icon on it.
Lastly, when people complain that the T-65 needs to be better because it's the game's namesake. . .well, it's because they want what little narrative 100/6 can offer.
I probably should have said, "no overarching, consistent narrative." I'm not saying people can't create their own stories and whatnot, but there's a big difference between a piece of fiction having thousands of ships belonging to a side and one person or team stealing a very small number of them, and playing a game where you're matched ship-for-ship by enemies flying your own craft against you. Some things just simply don't translate well between mediums.
3 hours ago, Squark said:Unless this defender gets multiple episodes, you're safe, guys. Chill out.
As to the captured Tie expansion. In theory, I think it's a great addition to the game (Defectors and spies presumably steal ties on a regular basis), but I feel the execution suffered. Sabine's Masterpiece should have been free, but reduced your agility by one to represent that the cramped cockpit of a Tie Fighter becomes hard to manage when you hide extra stuff in it. As for the Captured Tie, well... I guess what we got wasn't the worst KISS rules text for an undercover Tie in a non-mission setting, but perhaps that concept was too difficult to pull off in 100/6 and should have been left for missions, since what we got frequently ends up straining credibility. To be honest, it's kind of ironic that what was an attempt to inject narrative into 100/6 is so hated by fluff fans.
Her painted TIE only got 1 episode...
9 hours ago, Hawkstrike said:All I noticed was a TIE Pilot with a massive 'stache. I thought that was a Rebel-only thing?
Be interested to see if they do anything with Skerris, to be honest. As former academy instructor and now defender test pilot he pretty much seems to be the new canon' s mashed-together-hybrid of Soontir Fel and Maarek Stele.
I really hope that they don't kill him off, or if they do it's suitably impressive.
7 hours ago, Gadgetron said:Her painted TIE only got 1 episode...
Two. It wasn't painted in one, but it was in two episodes And one of those episodes was the season finale, so fairly important.
Sabine's TIE Defender. It's very nice. 
Never watched Rebels, don't particularly like Sabine. Wanted a defender for my rebel squad. Why are there no decent rebel ships for 33 pts or thereabouts? Their good aces cost 40+ and then you can't fit 3 in a squad.
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