I don't have the Latari expansion and won't be buying it, but wanted to get information. The overgrown (overgrowth) mechanic puts out tokens and affects the Latari units, where do I get more info about how they are used? I've tried searching this forum, looking at the rules references, and the Wiki and there's nothing there. Do the tokens only get added to terrain, or can they be added straight to the battlefield? I believe that they only affect units that have an upgrade or ability that benefits from overgrown tokens, so the tokens by themselves are useless except as markers, but I don't really know other details and would like either a link to read up on or an explanation. Sorry.
Overgrown (sorry)
there are several upgrades that have the Overgrowth ability that lets to place an overgrown token on a piece of terrain. The latari then have several upgrades that allow you to have benefits when within a certain range of an overgrown terrain, the upgrades typically are the same ones placing the overgrown tokens
1 minute ago, jek said:there are several upgrades that have the Overgrowth ability that lets to place an overgrown token on a piece of terrain. The latari then have several upgrades that allow you to have benefits when within a certain range of an overgrown terrain, the upgrades typically are the same ones placing the overgrown tokens
So the tokens do have to be placed on terrain then. I couldn't find a specific rule about placement of the tokens so that was confusing. I also didn't want to go through EVERY upgrade card to piece together the rules from the limited information available.
there is ONE upgrade that lets you place the tokens it gives as terrain pieces, it's one of the standard options I don't remember which one but for everything else they have to be on terrain
4 minutes ago, jek said:there is ONE upgrade that lets you place the tokens it gives as terrain pieces, it's one of the standard options I don't remember which one but for everything else they have to be on terrain
It's the Greenwatch Herald you're thinking about.
Yeah the rules are only with the elves so if you don't have any of them there doesn't seem to be a good place to reference the rules.
So, the "Overgrow" keyword specifies how many overgrow tokens you can place on the map then? So if my opponent only has 1 upgrade card with overgrow 1, then they place 1 overgrowth token?
I did read up on the Greenwatch Herald card, that one doesn't have the overgrow keyword which makes sense due to it operating differently and not placing the token on a terrain piece. So are the tokens placed only during deployment or can they be placed at each activation, like Lethal and Brutal trigger every activation?
yes it is written similar to protected, brutal, impact, etc...they are only placed at deployment though.
I'll try to transcribe the official rules at some point but the main gist is:
Each player looks at thier upgrades, the highest value of the overgrowth (I think 2 atm for the verdant sorcress?) And places that many overgrowth markers (alternating if both players have it)
If a terrian has an overgrowth marker on it, the whole terrain is considered overgrown.
Most of the upgrades that use it just stay that the unit has to be with x range of overgrowth terrain to use the ability. Hunters guile is one such card.
Just now, Xquer said:Each player looks at thier upgrades, the highest value of the overgrowth (I think 2 atm for the verdant sorcress?) And places that many overgrowth markers (alternating if both players have it)
I believe it is total not highest value that gets placed...as like all the other Keywords multiple of the same keyword are added...this is just a scenario where the keyword is basically for the full army...
4 minutes ago, jek said:I believe it is total not highest value that gets placed...as like all the other Keywords multiple of the same keyword are added...this is just a scenario where the keyword is basically for the full army...
I think this is the exception to that rule, but will need to check the actual manual.
4 minutes ago, Xquer said:I think this is the exception to that rule, but will need to check the actual manual.
Would it matter though who puts the overgrowth token on terrain?
Most deployments have a max of 3 pieces of terrain, once they all have a token then it doesn't matter where you place them right? I don't see any upgrades that benefit from multiple overgrowth tokens, so why would you want more than 3, or to place them after your opponent places tokens on the terrain?
2 minutes ago, backupsidekick said:Would it matter though who puts the overgrowth token on terrain?
Most deployments have a max of 3 pieces of terrain, once they all have a token then it doesn't matter where you place them right? I don't see any upgrades that benefit from multiple overgrowth tokens, so why would you want more than 3, or to place them after your opponent places tokens on the terrain?
I can't see why order would matter. It's just something I remember reading, but again, I don't have the paper in front of me.
Number does matter however since if you are only limited to 1, then you need to know which terrian you want to be engaging around. I think that's why you only get the highest overgrowth value.
1 minute ago, Xquer said:I can't see why order would matter. It's just something I remember reading, but again, I don't have the paper in front of me.
Number does matter however since if you are only limited to 1, then you need to know which terrian you want to be engaging around. I think that's why you only get the highest overgrowth value.
So if you have an overgrow 1 on a card and an overgrow 2 on another card, you would only place 2 tokens not 3? If you had 2 different overgrow 1 cards would you also only place 1 token?
Just now, backupsidekick said:So if you have an overgrow 1 on a card and an overgrow 2 on another card, you would only place 2 tokens not 3? If you had 2 different overgrow 1 cards would you also only place 1 token?
I believe so, but again, Jek believes otherwise and I don't have the instructions on hand atm. Will post when I get home though for you unless someone beats me.
1 minute ago, Xquer said:... unless someone beats me.
They have help numbers for that now...
It is the highest number for the Overgrowth keyword. But there are upgrade examples that place additional tokens without using the Overgrowth term.
Waywardpaladin has it.
You use your highest Overgrowth value, not a cumulative value.
well poo
1 hour ago, Tvayumat said:Waywardpaladin has it.
You use your highest Overgrowth value, not a cumulative value.
I can't find this anywhere in the rules reference or in the learn to play guide that was updated. Is the only place to find rules on this in the Latari rule book? I would find that rather discouraging since if the player using Latari doesn't bring the rulebook and other players are unfamiliar with the mechanic of Overgrown, the Latari player could, inadvertently or maliciously, say that it does a variety of things from allowing a player to place one per overgrow keyword per turn, or during deployment. Also, since the core rules doesn't mention where they are placed, it just seems odd that these rules aren't available outside of the expansion.
Also, I'm not discounting your take on the rules, I just am saying I have no point of reference without buying the box.. which I'm not going to do because I don't want to play as the elves (nothing personal). I don't like the idea of paying $60 just for current rules.
3 hours ago, Xquer said:It's the Greenwatch Herald you're thinking about.
Yeah the rules are only with the elves so if you don't have any of them there doesn't seem to be a good place to reference the rules.
@Budgernaut here's another idea for the wiki. Get all the new rule changes/clarifications with each expansion and add that in.
16 minutes ago, backupsidekick said:I can't find this anywhere in the rules reference or in the learn to play guide that was updated. Is the only place to find rules on this in the Latari rule book? I would find that rather discouraging since if the player using Latari doesn't bring the rulebook and other players are unfamiliar with the mechanic of Overgrown, the Latari player could, inadvertently or maliciously, say that it does a variety of things from allowing a player to place one per overgrow keyword per turn, or during deployment. Also, since the core rules doesn't mention where they are placed, it just seems odd that these rules aren't available outside of the expansion.
Also, I'm not discounting your take on the rules, I just am saying I have no point of reference without buying the box.. which I'm not going to do because I don't want to play as the elves (nothing personal). I don't like the idea of paying $60 just for current rules.
I'm not sure why it isn't in the updated reference...
While you guys are correct, it is so stupid.
all keywod values stack, except overgrown? Talk about being intentionally difficult haha
11 minutes ago, Ywingscum said:While you guys are correct, it is so stupid.
all keywod values stack, except overgrown? Talk about being intentionally difficult haha
Well...
Literally NONE of the other keywords with values function like Overgrown does, unless I've missed something major.
If they were analogous you would what... add 2 Overgrowth tokens each time you activate?
So I have the text. I wanted to add to the wiki but not sure where to place it. Let me know where you think the page should go. Also should I add the other new rules such as lethal, protected, etc? Not sure if those are covered elsewhere either.
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Overgrow
After placing terrain during setup, if a player has units or upgrades with the "Overgrow" keywords, he can place overgrowth tokens on terrain. A piece of terrian that has an overgrowth token is overgrown terrain . Overgrown terrain has no inherent effect, but some game effects interact with it.
- A player can place a number of overgrowth tokens equal to or less than the highest X value of the "Overgrow" keywords in his army. Unlike other Keywords that have an X value, multiple instances of "Overgow" are not combined.
- A piece of terrain cannot have more than one overgrowth token on it.
- If both players have units or upgrades with "Overgrow" keyword, the first player places all overgrowth tokens he wishes to place first, then his opponent does the same.