Of those the only one that this might genuinely be an issue on is the YV.
New article up!
Just now, KommanderKeldoth said:Oh yeah, duh, I totally forgot the lambda, IG-2000 and YV-666. All of those ships could have used this boost of an upgrade though!
Agreed. None of those are really dominating the meta, so a nudge up would have been nice.
Just now, Vineheart01 said:omg LOL
Dengar hits hard enough even out of arc to potentially kill the gunboat before he walks him off the board but thats still utterly disgusting (have another with fletchetts stress him so he cant action either)
True. Walking of the board should usually not an option. Use 2 gunboats and a defender and you might as well just kill that tokenless agility 1 9HP ship the turn after you ioned him. ;-)
if only ion cannons were a 2pt cannon....sadface...
1 minute ago, Vineheart01 said:if only ion cannons were a 2pt cannon....sadface...
Seriously.
Also, Vynder.
VI, XG1, Flechette, LB, ASLAM.
34 points.
Fenn.
PTL, title, autothrusters.
ALSO 34 points.
lololololol
1 minute ago, Vineheart01 said:if only ion cannons were a 2pt cannon....sadface...
Two strong in this combination imho, but I am making a sadface about that as well and imo ions should be just two points or deal normal damage.
Speaking of normal damage. Ion Torpedoes actually DO normal damage. ;-)
Yeah but the issue with ion torps is they spend the TL to fire.
You now have a need for 2 actions to fire it again the following turn. One for a targetlock, one for reload.
however , ion MISSILES do not spend the targetlock. They just dont splash
1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:Interesting.....all missiles/torps are mini-bomblets now.
Swarm disrupted!! 1 point over the cost of the toro or missles
not really sure if saturation salvo will ever be a thing.
The main issue is it eats the EPT and requires an effect you dont want to have happen in the first place.
2ship lists might become less common, but if they dont this will be even less valuable.
I am calling it now...
SLAM into Range 1. Unload an APT. Wreak havoc.
Cries to nerf APTs follow.
You know this to be true.
Yup.
WHy spend your EPT making missing very slightly less terrible, when you can spend it making missing less likely in the first place.
What's more preferable, hitting with your four point missile, or missing and doing half a damage to each ship at range 1?
9 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:Yeah but the issue with ion torps is they spend the TL to fire.
You now have a need for 2 actions to fire it again the following turn. One for a targetlock, one for reload.however , ion MISSILES do not spend the targetlock. They just dont splash
The bigger issue for ion missiles is that they don't do significant damage. Meanwhile the Torpedos do, if only Ion cannons would be two points to fire in between reloads
Now Lt. Kusari might fit into something interesting with an Ion Cannon.
Just now, Scopes said:I am calling it now...
SLAM into Range 1. Unload an APT . Wreak havoc .
Cries to nerf APT s follow.
You know this to be true.
You have to have something in your list to get TL + focus as well if you want that to actually do well. I'd probably just run cluster missiles for rnage 1 shots. Maybe have jonus in there for rerolls?
2 minutes ago, Scopes said:I am calling it now...
SLAM into Range 1. Unload an APT. Wreak havoc.
Cries to nerf APTs follow.
Search your feelings,
you know this to be true.
Fixed!
If Dengar couldn't make APTs good, this won't.
1 minute ago, VanderLegion said:You have to have something in your list to get TL + focus as well if you want that to actually do well. I'd probably just run cluster missiles for rnage 1 shots. Maybe have jonus in there for rerolls?
Just run PtL on the gunboat and you can provide your own TL/Focus. Then the trick is just getting an enemy in arc at r1 as a PS 4, 5, or 7 pilot.
1 minute ago, VanderLegion said:You have to have something in your list to get TL + focus as well if you want that to actually do well. I'd probably just run cluster missiles for rnage 1 shots. Maybe have jonus in there for rerolls?
Erm...Expertise?
Forgot about Jonus, though...great shout.
The Nerfers will be after him soon enough, though.
The only way that slam into APT would work is if you had LRS and already telegraphed your attack with it.
APT's w/o focus AND targetlock is a massively wasted attack, even with reloads. APTs practically dont miss when you have a focus, but if you do they miss more than statistically should (behold the psyche of rolling more than 3 dice!)
The moment you bank on unmodded attacks to do anything you are going to blank out or roll focuses. Every. Dang. Time.
Take an EPT guy and put Expertise on there HOLY CRAP thats an expensive ship thats not that tough to kill!
Edited by Vineheart01Just now, mdl0114 said:Just run PtL on the gunboat and you can provide your own TL/Focus. Then the trick is just getting an enemy in arc at r1 as a PS 4, 5, or 7 pilot.
It's doable...add VI.
Run Fleet Officer in the list on another ship.
Sorted.
1 minute ago, VanderLegion said:You have to have something in your list to get TL + focus as well if you want that to actually do well. I'd probably just run cluster missiles for rnage 1 shots. Maybe have jonus in there for rerolls?
Advanced Slam for focus and something with a targeting synchroniser?
Just now, Vineheart01 said:The only way that slam into APT would work is if you had LRS and already telegraphed your attack with it.
APT's w/o focus AND targetlock is a massively wasted attack, even with reloads. APTs practically dont miss when you have a focus, but if you do they miss more than statistically should (behold the psyche of rolling more than 3 dice!)
The moment you bank on unmodded attacks to do anything you are going to blank out or roll focuses. Every. Dang. Time.
#truth
But, I'm not banking on an unmodded shot.
Stupid combo idea: Keyan Farlander with Linked Battery and Predator. If he's not stressed, take a focus action. Either way, re-roll two dice, then get to change eyeballs to hits! For further fun, used Advanced Sensors to enable a barrel-roll followed by a k-turn, then still get dice modifications!
1 hour ago, FlyingAnchors said:Why do you even need a turret when you can slam?
AND WELCOME TO THE JAM!(jamming beam)
ack! Too early!
6 minutes ago, Freeptop said:Stupid combo idea: Keyan Farlander with Linked Battery and Predator. If he's not stressed, take a focus action. Either way, re-roll two dice, then get to change eyeballs to hits! For further fun, used Advanced Sensors to enable a barrel-roll followed by a k-turn, then still get dice modifications!
Rage + Inspiring Recruit would be just 3 Points and basically doing something very similar for less.
Edited by SEApocalypse8 minutes ago, Scopes said:It's doable...add VI.
Run Fleet Officer in the list on another ship.
Sorted.
Can't VI and PtL, fleet officer could work, maybe, if you keep the other ship at r1-2 of your SLAM capable gunboats, and if the other ship isn't wiped out, and if the APT trick is worth making half or more your list be built around it haha.
Edited by mdl0114Typo, APT not APL