Just now, mdl0114 said:Can't VI and PtL, fleet officer could work, maybe, if you keep the other ship at r1-2 of your SLAM capable gunboats, and if the other ship isn't wiped out, and if the APL trick is worth making half or more your list be built around it haha.
Ah, well, you can't have everything...
1 hour ago, Jeff Wilder said:This is funny for me for a couple of reasons.
(1) B-wings used to be a good example of power-creep. Now they're among the most-cited examples of "having been power-crept."
(2) The PS 4 gunship is 21 points, which is the same as a PS 2 X-Wing Rookie Pilot. Now, the Rookie Pilot is over-costed, I will grant, but take a look at what you gain and lose for 0 points:
Lose -- Astromech, K-turn, 4-straight is red, -1 Primary attack.
Gain -- +2 PS, EPT, +1 Hull, +1 Shield, Missile, SLAM, Reload.
I mean ... if that's not a competitively costed ship, X-Wing is a walking corpse.
I should say that I think the Gunboat is fun and I'm pretty excited for the ship. With that being said this comparison isn't really fair.
The X-wing also has a 0 cost modification which is worth more than 1 HP. The Gunboat will almost always be run with one of the titles which increases it's cost. -1 Primary attack is a big deal.
47 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:Yeah actually, why didn't ley let large ships take it? The only other large ship with a cannon slot is the YT-2400.
I guess it doesn't make much sense with a turret, but you could just say 'when attacking an enemy in your firing arc'
Dash doesn't need any more help, thanks.
That'd be my guess.
1 minute ago, chico2323 said:I should say that I think the Gunboat is fun and I'm pretty excited for the ship. With that being said this comparison isn't really fair.
The X-wing also has a 0 cost modification which is worth more than 1 HP. The Gunboat will almost always be run with one of the titles which increases it's cost. -1 Primary attack is a big deal.
Well, Integrated needs an astromech so at minimum it does cost you 1 point. But agreed that there is a pretty huge difference between 2 primary attack and 3 primary attack. Especially now with a lot of ways to get 4 attack dice.
4 minutes ago, Scopes said:Dash doesn't need any more help, thanks.
That'd be my guess.
It would make dash worse, not better. He only has 1 cannon slot, which is being used for HLC. If you want Linked Battery, it would mean no cannon, so you only have a 2 attack PWT. Who cares if you get a reroll at that point?
8 minutes ago, mdl0114 said:... if the APT trick is worth making half or more your list be built around it haha.
APT is hilarious when you get it off, though. Took it to Nationals. The players who knew what it did were facepalming, the players who didn't were asking to read the card lol
4 minutes ago, Scopes said:Dash doesn't need any more help, thanks.
That'd be my guess.
It wouldn't help Dash tho, it would take his turret slot.
The only ships with Cannon slots are:
YT2400
Gunboat
Scyk with Heavy Scyk
Lambda
Firespray
YV666
B Wing
TIE Defender
IG2000.
Of those, the only ones this would be even good on are the Firespray, YV, B Wing and Brobots, and Brobots is the closest one to actually being competitive. This wouldn't break anything on large bases, and could trivially cost 0 on small only.
A very interesting design in this ship. Can't wait to see how it turns out.
9 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:APT is hilarious when you get it off, though. Took it to Nationals. The players who knew what it did were facepalming, the players who didn't were asking to read the card lol
Yeah, I've run and seen APT Fenn Rau's with PTL (fearlessness once but it's too hard to work a TL and a focus and a r1 attack in when you get 1 action a turn), it can be hilarious but it's a bit gimmicky to build a list around, even when it's almost certainly 6 hits with Fenn Rau at a lower price point.
yt2400 with linked batteries would be hilariously bad...
Its a 2die ship guys. The cannon-turret is the only reason its even remotely deadly to begin with, not to mention the reason its even a problem to consider
Quoteyt2400 with linked batteries would be hilariously bad...
Eaden would be an exception, but "small ship only",
I played TIE fighter and XvT for many years. I saw the dial and I thought "Cool, they've bitten the bullet and made it the sluggish ship with lots of guns I remember." Then ...
....I saw and remembered the slam action and thought "I don't remember it being the ultimate fast slaloming ship!"
I accept it is game design (like the HWK) but the relative creep in abilities and power is painful. I LOVE Tie bombers, and I love using them, but this makes the OT ship nigh obscelete barring its shuttle role. As an ordnance carrier it is vastly inferior for two less points. Yes the bomber can 5 speed K turn, but this thing slalom slams and fires, it has way better crit resistance, it reloads, and it comes with a whiter dial on the turns.
It's this that will stop me from getting more than one. I'd rather get more bombers than make them obscelete in their role in my collection (my one punisher is the super bomber of the collection).
It looks good, but too good! JMKs raised the bar high above OT ships and there's no way back, sadly.
Edited by Larky Bobble1 hour ago, Celestial Lizards said:Then what does the keyword JAMMED mean?
It means that ship has jam token.
There is unfortunately an overlap on top with the huge ship action. ;-)
1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:Small Ship Only. Not that it needed to be. literally only useful on the Gunboat and B Wing currently. Technically equippable on the Defender but you lose both titles if you do and lol
Just imagine a Lambda or Upsilon with free rerolls. That starts to get scary, quickly.
Edit to add:
I had thought the Upsilon had a cannon slot. My bad!
Edited by Punning PunditFew things pop out of the article!
Linked Battery, excellent add for IG-2000, it has that second cannon slot for nothing now, so thanks for that. Also Bossk loves this, no need for cannon anyway, so he gets his critical and that is always extra damage!
Saturation Salvo, also excellent add for Scum faction, makes the damage bit more secure and that is fun to see on Quinn Jast!
I like those few cards that are useful for many ships, especially Linked Battery, also one of the B-Wing pilots love it! SLAM seems bit better now, I never really had problem with it that much, but competitive scene big time!
All in all, decent stuff for Imperium, some goodies also for Scum and Rebels. Ship that I might get even though I don't play hardly ever with Imperium.
3 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:Just imagine a lambda or Upsilon with free rerolls. That starts to get scary, quickly.
Well the Upsilon doesn't have a cannon slot, and I'm imagining a Lambda which costs 21 points with one reroll and it doesn't stop it being trivial to get behind and stay behind forever.
Edited by thespaceinvader2 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:Just imagine a lambda or Upsilon with free rerolls. That starts to get scary, quickly.
Ups can't take it and the Lambda can already take FCS. Plus, there is Predator already out there for some of the pilots, so...
Upsilons have a cannon?
Since when?
Only large ship that would actually benefit from LB's is the cockroaches (ig88). Firespray is too expensive as it is, yt2400 is defined by its turret cannon, and yv666 might get some use out of it but usually it has dengar on board anyway.
Just now, Zazaa said:Few things pop out of the article!
Linked Battery, excellent add for IG-2000, it has that second cannon slot for nothing now, so thanks for that. Also Bossk loves this, no need for cannon anyway, so he gets his critical and that is always extra damage!
Small.
Ship.
Only.
Does nobody read the whole card?
Just now, thespaceinvader said:Well the Upsilon doesn't have a cannon slot, and I'm imagining a Lambda which costs 21 points with one reroll and it doesn't stop it being trivial to get behind and stay behind forever.
Also, they have access to FCS anyway
1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:Small.
Ship.
Only.
Does nobody read the whole card?
Obviously not! Then nevermind!
1 hour ago, SabineKey said:Odd, but I'm kinda digging the design of it. The only thing I feel really disappointed about is the Linked Batteries being small ship only. I was looking forward to seeing what it could do on a Firespray.
I'm not the first to say this, but the Firespray needs a free title that lets it equip any small ship only upgrades.
1 minute ago, Punning Pundit said:I'm not the first to say this, but the Firespray needs a free title that lets it equip any small ship only upgrades.
That would certainly give it an interesting boost.
10 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:It means that ship has jam token.
There is unfortunately an overlap on top with the huge ship action. ;-)
It was spoiled in the intial reveal article in the Kilogima section...
55 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:Advanced Slam for focus and something with a targeting synchroniser?
Arsenal Loadout title doesn't work with Targeting synchroniser TL (as well as Deadeye), as gunboat needs to have its own target lock to fire ordnance after slam.