I have put on a simple blog some of the current unofficial player world rankings here (rankings as at after swiss, full results will come when all relevant top cut games complete)

https://shirodaidoji.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/ratings-structure.html

for those who are interested in such things.

Currently while the application slowly gets into shape these relate just to the discord league though if anyone wants to include their own competition in the world rankings then as long as I get the results they can be added in. A minimum of players and rounds would probably be needed though (say 40 players min and 6 rounds).

These stats are intended to adjust dynamically as time passes and post each rated competition they will be posted up on that site.

If anyone has suggestions on tracking players between competitions or any other relevant comment then please say...

Neat! Thanks for doing this!

I would strongly encourage TOs to use The Jousting Pavilion for their events, even though it is designed for Thrones - that way, a simple link provides all the relevant data, AND it has the added bonus of running in real time so people can follow the event from home as it unfolds.

Nice site Mark, be even better if they adjust to L5R (which should not be hard), though it is doing something very different to ELO type ratings. The idea behind this is not to track tournaments in real time or function as a match maker but pure rankings.

Plus from looking at that site it also seems targeted at mini-tournaments and most majors will run their own tournament software so may be less keen to double enter results.

No site can track every result through every game and there are also some issues with random entry tourneys allowing results to be gamed on a list tracking global skill ranges as opposed to local skill ranges.

I would like these ratings to only show the larger tournaments where judging, participation and interest are high, got to get those tourneys to send the results though which may be too high a bar.

If you scroll through their tournament results, you'll see multiple events of over a hundred players. It tracks the result for every game in every round on those tournaments. Not sure what else you'd need, but I'm only able to give a cursory scan to your posts at the moment as I'm at work - I'll try and respond in more detail later.

Just now, Hinomura said:

If you scroll through their tournament results, you'll see multiple events of over a hundred players. It tracks the result for every game in every round on those tournaments. Not sure what else you'd need, but I'm only able to give a cursory scan to your posts at the moment as I'm at work - I'll try and respond in more detail later.

Having access to pairings online saves a lot of time, the more so in big tournaments. I've been to 3 tournaments with 100+ players this year, and all 3 used The Jousting Pavilion.

lol, no need mate as I understand both what the site is doing and how it is doing it.

I understand I could just grab results of it and get all the data I need for the rankings if everyone used that software to control their competitions. That's a different fight I'm not qualified to carry out.

Let's say if major l5r games are reported there (or on a similar site) and I am told where they are I can skim the relevant results for these ratings. I am unsure though whether all major tourneys would get tracked in such a fashion.

I think most big AGoT tournaments are run on Jousting. The obvious exceptions are those run by FFG itself (Worlds and Continentals). If there was an equivalent site for L5R, I'd bet most TOs would use it.

It doesn't matter whether they use 'in house software', Jousting, Challonge or whatever as long as I can access full results I could conceivably add the competition.

My bigger problem would be tracking users between the various applications..

Strangely my first every professional computer program was a java competition organiser for Fencing tournaments so I am familiar with how they operate (wow that brought back memories from a long time ago)

In several cases, major events run on Tome have actually been reconstructed and entered on JP.

As this is something you're undertaking on your own initiative, I absolutely support and applaud it, but if your data is going to primarily consist of online play, the pedant in me thinks the title should reflect that - maybe 'Unofficial Online Rankings'?

Regardless, thank you for this and good luck going forward!

If it ends up just being online and just related to the Discord league then I probably will switch the title .

The one thing about the discord league is that it is truly international in a way that only the big koteis/worlds actually get to be bar those rich enough to globe trot to competitions.

Though by global I suppose US/ South America perhaps, Europe so western global..Must not get to western centric about this..

It's probably more international than Worlds, because flying there isn't cheap (plane tickets from Western Europe to the States cost upward of $1,000), while playing online with people from around the world only requires planning.

I don't for a moment discount the coverage that online events have, and agree they almost always draw from a wider geographic pool than real world events.

They do however still draw from a very restricted demographic - only a small fraction of players play online.

All this is a moot point if other data streams take off, which I hope happens, as the more wide and varied the data, the better.