2 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

FFG can only work with those who applied for getting a regional. As people complete their collections these days, it's hard to justify hosting events as a store owner from a pure marketing perspective. All OP events are meant to operate at a loss, but most of them are meant to run on a loss of the store owners, not FFG. This includes regionals.

Though I doubt that a draft document is the final list of all regionals ;-)

In regards to what stores submitted, my local store submits every year. However as covenant is always guaranteed it really hurts what can be made available in the area. As for hosting at a loss, the kit is what $100? running it at 20 a person you break even at 5 so making a profit is incredibly easy.

They sure as **** went out of their way to alienate entire communities, didn’t they? Of course, I’m sure some people are already chomping at the bit to reply with their disagreement and counterpoints, but dollars to donuts the people who disagree got a championship within driving distance or have the resources to go just about anywhere they want. Whole states were disregarded. Elitism at its worst.

I'm sure I don't know all the factors that go into the decisions made by the small number of people at FFG Organized Play regarding which locations are given an Regional Championship, but I'd be massively shocked if their guiding principal was to exclude large numbers of customers who want to participate.

56 minutes ago, BlackFalcon88 said:

As for hosting at a loss, the kit is what $100? running it at 20 a person you break even at 5 so making a profit is incredibly easy.

The kit is almost a non-entity as far as the costs of holding a major event is concerned. If your shop isn't big enough to hold 50+ people then you need to look at venue hire, even if it is big enough you've still got to cover your usual overheads. It gets up into 4-digit territory real quick.

42 minutes ago, Boris_the_Dwarf said:

Elitism at its worst.

What evidence is there of this? There seems to be a lot of evidence to the contrary according to some- that FFG moves their regional locations around to give everyone a taste.

Closest one for me is out of state and 6 hours away.

Last year I drove 20 minutes and it was my first tournament, and got me hooked on the competitive scene.

10 hours ago, BlackFalcon88 said:

In regards to what stores submitted, my local store submits every year. However as covenant is always guaranteed it really hurts what can be made available in the area. As for hosting at a loss, the kit is what $100? running it at 20 a person you break even at 5 so making a profit is incredibly easy.

The Kit is a little over $200 iirc, and you completely ignore the space requirements. A great location comes easily up to $1000 a day, so you have to offer drinks and food directly there as well to break even, which increases the logistical requirements as well.
You do ignore as well the extra work involved in hosting, from setup to cleanup. Ain't free either. And these days regionals become more and more two day events, so you can multiply those cost by two.

Sure, running a regional with 20 players in your FLGS cellar easily does not lose much money, the kits are cheap, the room is already there and if you don't provide any TOs and just enter results and print out new pairings the work involved is nothing big either. But the regional kits are not meant to be store championship kits with better prices and once the scope gets into a proper sized regional event with about 60 player involved it gets the right atmosphere and more expensive to host at the same time.

*shrugs*
At the other hand, compared to what some people here mentioning … within 6 hours travel time reach I most likely have half a dozen nationals in reach. Spanish, italian, french, belgian, dutch, german, hungarian, czech and the polish Nationals should all be within 6 hours reach. So maybe I am just not getting how important those regionals are for the american players.

lol at the US people mumping that there's no regional near them. At least you freaking know where and when yours even are.

Updated events listing with these and the system open. Next I am going to make a map.

http://nationaltabletopgaming.org/x-wing-events

2 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

*shrugs*
At the other hand, compared to what some people here mentioning … within 6 hours travel time reach I most likely have half a dozen nationals in reach. Spanish, italian, french, belgian, dutch, german, hungarian, czech and the polish Nationals should all be within 6 hours reach. So maybe I am just not getting how important those regionals are for the american players.

While I agree everyone is complaining too much, I'm just happy they finally announced the things, regionals are far more important in the US. We only get the one Nationals, and one continental championship. Also we are more geographically spread out. I'd kill to have a 6 hour drive to get to another regional, lol.

No ATL regional but there's one about 40 minutes away. Worth the trip.

1 hour ago, NervousSam said:

While I agree everyone is complaining too much, I'm just happy they finally announced the things, regionals are far more important in the US. We only get the one Nationals, and one continental championship. Also we are more geographically spread out. I'd kill to have a 6 hour drive to get to another regional, lol.

No need to kill someone, just come over, at least you will get a decent amount of regionals and nationals around. ;-)
Actually, I mean it for real as well. Paris, Prague, Amsterdam, Salzburg, etc are all worth a visit. And if you time it right you can combine it with an X-Wing national or at least a regional.

I actually have a good friend getting stationed in Italy, maybe next season lol.

It's about 4 hours either way to get to Austin or the Tulsa Team Covenant one, for a 1 day event 8 hours round trip driving is too much, and the TC one is 2 days. That really puts a major damper on the next 6 months or so of X-Wing for me.

11 hours ago, BlackFalcon88 said:

In regards to what stores submitted, my local store submits every year. However as covenant is always guaranteed it really hurts what can be made available in the area. As for hosting at a loss, the kit is what $100? running it at 20 a person you break even at 5 so making a profit is incredibly easy.

You do realize there's more expenses a store incurs than just the kit for holding a regional, right?

And a 20 person Regional would be REALLY small. I mean, that's not THAT huge for a Store Champ.

how do these work? can anyone just show up and register?

3 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

how do these work? can anyone just show up and register?

For attendees?

Yes.

For each Store Championship won, the winner can get a single first round bye in a single regional of their choice, but otherwise it's open registration.

Indeed, the only X Wing tournaments which have had closed registration have been the Coruscant Invitationals after the System Open series. Every other x-wing tournament has been open.

3 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

For attendees?

Yes.

For each Store Championship won, the winner can get a single first round bye in a single regional of their choice, but otherwise it's open registration.

Indeed, the only X Wing tournaments which have had closed registration have been the Coruscant Invitationals after the System Open series. Every other x-wing tournament has been open.

Thank you. Very helpful. When does registration open up?

3 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Thank you. Very helpful. When does registration open up?

Depends on the store. You'll have to contact them.

3 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Thank you. Very helpful. When does registration open up?

Depends on the hosting store. Some open it up months early, others weeks, others still the day before.

Yup, you'll just have to wait til each individual store makes tickets available. I suggest following the relevant ones on Facebook, most Regionals will have a facebook event, and it's a good way to get automatic updates about them.

For europe there is always t3. Well, europe outside of the UK

https://www.tabletoptournaments.net/index.php

https://www.tabletoptournaments.net/eu/overview?gid=108 <<< List of upcoming X-Wing tourneys, in no way a complete list, for example the czech nationals on November, the 4th are missing. In general there is no centralized resource to find all tournaments in one place. T3 might still the closest to that in europe, while the FFG calendar is the closest thing to that in North America.

8 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

The Kit is a little over $200 iirc, and you completely ignore the space requirements. A great location comes easily up to $1000 a day, so you have to offer drinks and food directly there as well to break even, which increases the logistical requirements as well.
You do ignore as well the extra work involved in hosting, from setup to cleanup. Ain't free either. And these days regionals become more and more two day events, so you can multiply those cost by two.

Sure, running a regional with 20 players in your FLGS cellar easily does not lose much money, the kits are cheap, the room is already there and if you don't provide any TOs and just enter results and print out new pairings the work involved is nothing big either. But the regional kits are not meant to be store championship kits with better prices and once the scope gets into a proper sized regional event with about 60 player involved it gets the right atmosphere and more expensive to host at the same time.

*shrugs*
At the other hand, compared to what some people here mentioning … within 6 hours travel time reach I most likely have half a dozen nationals in reach. Spanish, italian, french, belgian, dutch, german, hungarian, czech and the polish Nationals should all be within 6 hours reach. So maybe I am just not getting how important those regionals are for the american players.

I’m not sure what 6 hours travel time looks like to you across the pond, but in the states a full days drive is kind of a big deal. It means having a place to stay when you get there unless you’re racing overnight in which case you are exhausted and not going to play well anyway, and maybe the night of the event if you are too tired to drive back after 10-12 hours of grind. Looking at this list and the way it is spread out from my location, the events closest to me are 8 and 10 hours away. This despite the fact that in a 2 hour diameter there are about 75 or 80 people who play and none of the venues here got anything at all in any of the games that were announced. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

The events for when they are scheduled are also on the other side of some steep mountains and at a time of year when it could be dangerous to be driving because of snow and ice conditions.

6 hours ago, Timathius said:

Updated events listing with these and the system open. Next I am going to make a map.

http://nationaltabletopgaming.org/x-wing-events

Is that a complete list of US system opens?