ok so i was playing in a small 4 person booster tournie, i had to play against 2 Nines decks and then i get to play against this weird Obi-wan/Rey deck, i'm using ePalp and we get to round 6 or 7 , i've burned through 2 rise agains, 2 rejuvinates and i've gotten 5 shields and claimed Otto gunga 3 times just to stay alive because my **** dice just keep rolling shield or resourse , and when i do roll ranged he uses guard :(, anyways i finally roll ranged and kill Obi-wan, he brings My Ally is the force with his trigger and resolves 3 dmg from obi-won dice which is unblockable because Rey has a Vibroknofe dice, i'm like ok, MAISF has ambush so he plays Noble Sacriice which defeats Obi and he triggers MAITF again for another 3 dmg, again ambush so he resolves his obi dice and does 6 dmg, and dies, now it's his turn he resolves the Vibro dice with Power of the Force and does 2 dmg killing Palp, now this is where the table flip almost occured, i lost the game defeating a character, Palp took 12 unblockable damage from defeating someone, he got 4 actions from dying, wtf is this crap, if this is what this game is supposed to be from here on, then i'm out, smart plays should be rewarded not cost you the game.

It felt like that old video game where if you knew the buttons you could kill someone with ultra combos

Well it isn't fun to have that played on you, however, it was smart play on his part and he was rewarded for good play and good deck construction. Having a Palp player use two rise and rejuvs in one game is also harsh but again, smart play on your part. It actually sounds like a good game, not one of those cheesy turn two everyone is dead games. You just came up on the short end of it.

i just don't think you should be allowed to have mutliple actions and resolve dice during my turn, i mean Palp took 12 dmg on my turn!!!

Iirc the ambush action que is after obi is defeated So yes he gets it but he won't be allowed to trigger obi again since he is already dead, if he went to do noble then maitf then used the ambush to resolve rey that would be legal

Sorry for the bad experience. Everyone makes mistakes.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the action granted by the 'Ambush' of the first 'My ally is the Force' should have been taken after Obi-Wan died, not before. The free action goes after the queue. So he should not have been able to use 'Noble Sacrifice' to play a second 'My ally is the Force' and then resolving his dice with a second ambush.

The way it should have played is:

-You kill Obi

-Before he dies, he plays 'My ally is the Force' and resolve one of his dice

-Obi-Wan dies

-Opponent plays the free action granted by 'My ally is the Force'

20 minutes ago, Red Castle said:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the action granted by the 'Ambush' of the first 'My ally is the Force' should have been taken after Obi-Wan died, not before. The free action goes after the queue. So he should not have been able to use 'Noble Sacrifice' to play a second 'My ally is the Force' and then resolving his dice with a second ambush.

The way it should have played is:

-You kill Obi

-Before he dies, he plays 'My ally is the Force' and resolve one of his dice

-Obi-Wan dies

-Opponent plays the free action granted by 'My ally is the Force'

thats how i think it should be played as well, there is nothing that says you get to resolve the ambush action before Obi dies only that you get to play a card before he dies

Ambush action always goes to the end of the queue

That guy cheated.

Obi dies, he plays a card. Card is played, regardless of what the card was he is now defeated and goes away, including all of his dice and upgrades. Ally with the Force becomes a support per its rules, now ambush triggers.

That guy used multiple actions before obiwan died. Basically he acted like ambush is immediate, interrupting any game effect. Even if it didnt goto the end of the queue, Obi-wan being defeated is not something under his control so he cant choose to do it later.

6 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

Ambush action always goes to the end of the queue

That guy cheated.

Obi dies, he plays a card. Card is played, regardless of what the card was he is now defeated and goes away, including all of his dice and upgrades. Ally with the Force becomes a support per its rules, now ambush triggers.

That guy used multiple actions before obiwan died. Basically he acted like ambush is immediate, interrupting any game effect. Even if it didnt goto the end of the queue, Obi-wan being defeated is not something under his control so he cant choose to do it later.

i wouldn't go as far as saying it's cheating, all 4 of us thought it was iffy but where like ok, more action cheating, but i will discuss it with them this week

having just read the section on the queue i believe we all played it wrong, if i understand it correctly as some of you have mentioned the Ambush granted action should have been resolved after Obi-wan is defeated because the it enters after the defeating of Obi-wan and goes to the end of the queue.

24 minutes ago, Darth evil said:

i wouldn't go as far as saying it's cheating, all 4 of us thought it was iffy but where like ok, more action cheating, but i will discuss it with them this week

I would not take a chance... I say burn him and investigate later... just like in the good ol' times...

So they thing you're talking about isn't actual possible. As others have explained.

But to your parting comment that "smart plays should be rewarded", is killing a character with a on defeat trigger a smart play? Regardless of the feasibility 9f what occurred after, killing Obi-wan first opens you up to combos occurring from his ability compounded with the other dice in play and available. He's a tempting target since he has the stronger dice and us going to be soaking damage with Guardian, but that is exactly why going for him isn't necessarily a smart play. It's the obvious play, not the best one in many cases.

Just now, ScottieATF said:

So they thing you're talking about isn't actual possible. As others have explained.

But to your parting comment that "smart plays should be rewarded", is killing a character with a on defeat trigger a smart play? Regardless of the feasibility 9f what occurred after, killing Obi-wan first opens you up to combos occurring from his ability compounded with the other dice in play and available. He's a tempting target since he has the stronger dice and us going to be soaking damage with Guardian, but that is exactly why going for him isn't necessarily a smart play. It's the obvious play, not the best one in many cases.

to be fair i never thought i could take 12 dmg by defeating him, had i known i would have killed Rey and let Obi take the splash dmg

So even in your own view you missed the smarter play.

well usually removing 6 dmg instead of 1 is the smarter play

So it should have gone:

Obi-Wan's Defeat Enters Queue -> Obi-Wan's 'Before' Ability Triggers -> MAITF -> Resolve Obi-Wan's Damage -> Obi-Wan's Defeat Occurs -> Ambush Action

So there's no room in there to play Noble Sacrifice, and no space to double-tap Obi-Wan's die with the ambush?

3 hours ago, Ajones47 said:

So it should have gone:

Obi-Wan's Defeat Enters Queue -> Obi-Wan's 'Before' Ability Triggers -> MAITF -> Resolve Obi-Wan's Damage -> Obi-Wan's Defeat Occurs -> Ambush Action

So there's no room in there to play Noble Sacrifice, and no space to double-tap Obi-Wan's die with the ambush?

I believe that is the correct sequence, yes

5 hours ago, Ajones47 said:

So it should have gone:

Obi-Wan's Defeat Enters Queue -> Obi-Wan's 'Before' Ability Triggers -> MAITF -> Resolve Obi-Wan's Damage -> Obi-Wan's Defeat Occurs -> Ambush Action

So there's no room in there to play Noble Sacrifice, and no space to double-tap Obi-Wan's die with the ambush?

Yes. All before/after effects resolve in the same action. Ambush gives you another action and Obi Wan is dead before ambush action begins so his dice are no longer in the pool.

6 hours ago, Ajones47 said:

So there's no room in there to play Noble Sacrifice

There is...just play Noble first then trigger MAITF from Noble....simple.

6 hours ago, Ajones47 said:

and no space to double-tap Obi-Wan's die with the ambush?

Nope. I did the same "cheat" on one day :/ Then i re-read the queque rules and i was like "ooopss "

2 hours ago, Vitalis said:

There is...just play Noble first then trigger MAITF from Noble....simple.

Nope. I did the same "cheat" on one day :/ Then i re-read the queque rules and i was like "ooopss "

But that Noble Sacrafice does nothing, so there's no point to it. Palp is already exhausted.

I’m the guys who did that play :

I started SWD , just 2 month ago so I may have “cheat” but not willingly

Actually as Darth evil said, it was not fun to be able to kill the stronger character (ie palpa) in one turn ,even for the one doing it.

I found this topic as I wanted to find an official clarification, regardless of how fun it was, in case something like this happens again:

The problems is to situe where the Ambush is resolved : before or after Obi dies

When I read the rules, the ambush keyword said that:

Quote

After playing (and resolving) a card with Ambush, a player may immediately take another action.

•• If a player is allowed to take an action outside of their turn, they immediately take it.

It is said immediately , not at the end of the queue, so my guess was :

Palpa does fatal damage on obi => Obi will be defeated

Before defeated by palpa: I play MAITF : = > 3 MD on palpa , MAITF resole and in discard pile

Ambush: I play Noble Sacrifice on obi ** => Obi will be defeated

Before defeated by NS : I play MAITF => 3 MD on palpa , MAITF resole and in discard pile

Ambush : I resolve obi dice +2 other => 6 MD on palpa

Defeated by NS => Obi dead, dice removed, NS resolved and in discard

Defeated by palpa

** (I was not sure if it was legit, I asked before I played but that not the point in this sequence as it can be legit if another carac is ready)

So by the rules, I think this is legit, maybe I’m wrong:

the action queue is detailed for the “after” ability, not in specific case like obi-wan special

it is a very strong combo but that needed preparation and can be avoid easily by choosing when to kill obi

(game before, I just gain 2 resources with my MAITF as I had only one resource dice in my pool and no OWTF in discard)

I agree that this is not in the spirit of the game, that even if it is legit, it may need an errata to avoid this

I intend to clarify this where we played to fix one for all the possibility to do combo like that or not, even if there is no official declaration

Sorry Darth Evil, hope we can retry this after clarification!

@Tahofeng First, you can only be defeated once. So you can do Noble Sac and then MAITF, not the other way around. Not really relevant in this case since his only character was exhausted already. An action cannot and will not happen inside another action, ever. The current action fully resolves before moving on to the next. So Obi Before defeat plays MAIF, then Palp dices resolves, Obi is defeated and any after effects take place (like removing dice from the pool). That action is now fully resolved. Then you immediately take the next ambush action. Then it becomes your turn. Misplayed, though complicated and understandable, but still there is a lot of actions taking place there. If the rules were followed correctly you'll only have done 3 damage not 12 but have gotten one action before your turn, so probably another two actions plus the MAIF play.

BTW, welcome to the forums.