Serious Question about Han Solo.

By JankoFett, in X-Wing Off-Topic

Why is Han Solo not playable with Scum?

Think about it? Boba is playable with both Empire and Scum. Same with other characters...

Han is a smuggler...pretty much a dirtbag...

I would think he should be playable with Scum. Or at least, there should be a version of him that is playable with Scum.

thoughts?

I get into some heated"conversations" with my wife about Han. I call him a casual murderer (you don't really think they tied up those troopers & scanning crew that went into the Falcon after it was brought into the Death Star do you?) and she thinks he's more honorable.

But back to your point: yeah, there should be more um, fluidity , between certain characters in some factions. If you play casually amongst friends, no reason why you couldn't do that sort of thing there. Its super doubtful FFG will do something like you suggest in this version of X-wing.

He was an Imperial cadet too ... should be available to all three factions!

1 hour ago, Hawkstrike said:

He was an Imperial cadet too ... should be available to all three factions!

We don’t know if that’s true anymore. We’ll find out in May of next year. (I have low expectations.)

On 10/15/2017 at 1:28 AM, Force Majeure said:

I get into some heated"conversations" with my wife about Han . I call him a casual murderer (you don't really think they tied up those troopers & scanning crew that went into the Falcon after it was brought into the Death Star do you?) and she thinks he's more honorable.

But back to your point: yeah, there should be more um, fluidity , between certain characters in some factions. If you play casually amongst friends, no reason why you couldn't do that sort of thing there. Its super doubtful FFG will do something like you suggest in this version of X-wing.

So killing enemy soldiers who would kill you on sight is now considered casual murder? I do think it's most likely that Han and Chewbacca hid in their hidden cargo bay until the troopers walked by, at which point Chewie jumped out and slammed their heads together, possibly fatally. We've seen Han tie up Imperial Troopers before in Return of the Jedi.

Not every criminal should be in Scum by default. Han is a smuggler not a mercenary and a rebel sypathiser. There is really no need to make a Scum-Faction Han just because Han is a scumbag. Also Boba only has an empire version cause we had no empire scum-faction back when the firespray was released.

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On 10/17/2017 at 5:20 AM, Hannes Solo said:

Not every criminal should be in Scum by default. Han is a smuggler not a mercenary and a rebel sypathiser. There is really no need to make a Scum-Faction Han just because Han is a scumbag. Also Boba only has an empire version cause we had no empire back when the firespray was released.

I think you mean we had no “Scum” when the Firespray was released.

4 hours ago, Pooleman said:

I think you mean we had no “Scum” when the Firespray was released.

Of course.

There’s been plenty of speculation that a Scum!Han will accompany the movie in May. Blue-and-white Falcon with Scum and Rebel pilot cards would be ideal IMO.

On 10/15/2017 at 1:28 AM, Force Majeure said:

you don't really think they tied up those troopers & scanning crew that went into the Falcon after it was brought into the Death Star do you?

Whether he tied them up or not, where did they put 4 Imperials in the Falcon? Did the guards in the hanger realize their buddies were missing after the firefight in the detention block and go into the Falcon to get them? Or were those guys just stuffed in an airlock and possibly flushed into space? At best they were just tied up and became rebel captives. At worst Han and Co. killed the FAQ out of them. In the middle is they are freed on the DS only to blow up later.

14 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

Whether he tied them up or not, where did they put 4 Imperials in the Falcon? Did the guards in the hanger realize their buddies were missing after the firefight in the detention block and go into the Falcon to get them? Or were those guys just stuffed in an airlock and possibly flushed into space? At best they were just tied up and became rebel captives. At worst Han and Co. killed the FAQ out of them. In the middle is they are freed on the DS only to blow up later.

In the newcanon anthology From A Certain Point of View , the Imperials find at least one of them later, as a corpse stuffed into a duct: TK-421.

Tarkin is very unhappy - they'd just began an affair.

3 minutes ago, Ironlord said:

In the newcanon anthology From A Certain Point of View , the Imperials find at least one of them later, as a corpse stuffed into a duct: TK-421.

Tarkin is very unhappy - they'd just began an affair.

When did they find the time to stuff anyone into a duct? I hate secondary ‘canon’ novels. I especially hate the anthologies that just have to give every background character their own backstory. Hey, there’s a reason they are in the background: they ain’t the heroes. For every interesting short story there’s a dozen IG-88 takes over the DS FAQing Bantha poodoo. Sounds like NuCanon sucks just as hard as the old EU.

12 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

When did they find the time to stuff anyone into a duct?

Presumably, it was right after that scene where one of them, disguised as TK-421, pretends to have a bad transmitter.

The anthology seems to be exceptionally well received by readers at the moment - it's more "for one mediocre short story there's a dozen good ones".

That said, there's definitely a feel of it being "Tales from Mos Eisley" updated - with "Tales From the Death Star" and "Tales from Yavin IV" as the new themes added in.

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I too believe that scum Han and Lando will come when the movie comes out. However, I think they should be their younger versions of themselves with unique abilities to scum.

Han is complicated and that’s why we love ‘em! He is the classic Dirty Harry/Josey Wales gunslinger. I doubt he would kill if everyone just left him alone. He also has feelings and emotions. We see that with Chewbacca. He keeps his friends close and is just doing what he can. Less honor, more freedom and in a galaxy like Star Wars, livin’ free means living outside the law. Personally, I think Han came back to the Battle of Yavin not so much for the sake of the Rebellion, but more so to protect his new friends, Leia and Luke.

By the time we see him again at Hoth he has definitely bought into the Rebel Alliance’s cause and I think thats because he wants a freer galaxy for everyone. That’s why he rescued Chewbacca after all. In the EU he had a huge problem with slavery and i don’t think that characteristic goes away in the new canon.

Han Solo is the definition of “Rugged Individualism” and is best looked at through a Western Hero light. When we meet him first he is less John Wayne and more Josey Wales but we get to see his character evolve and that’s what makes him so great!

On 10/22/2017 at 4:42 AM, Ironlord said:

In the newcanon anthology From A Certain Point of View , the Imperials find at least one of them later, as a corpse stuffed into a duct: TK-421.

Tarkin is very unhappy - they'd just began an affair.

Well, I guess that clears up what post TK-421 was supposed to be attending to. . .

On 10/20/2017 at 4:10 PM, SpiderMana said:

There’s been plenty of speculation that a Scum!Han will accompany the movie in May. Blue-and-white Falcon with Scum and Rebel pilot cards would be ideal IMO.

Sounds neat but I'll really have to reach for reasons to get a THIRD falcon.

On 10/15/2017 at 6:06 AM, JankoFett said:

Boba is playable with both Empire and Scum

In the case of Boba Fett, because when he came out, you were either Rebel or Imperial and he clearly didn't belong in the former. He's an 'Imperial' hero in Star Wars Battlefront as well.

But whilst I don't want even more turreted large ships for a faction that abounds with excessively good large ships, yes, Han begins the trilogy as scum, through and through. We'll presumably get to see some of this in the Solo film, but the original Saga is han's redemption story just as much as it's luke's hero's journey. In the origin point he is casual murderer and a freakin' drug smuggler. This is, at first impressions, not a good person.

Even if they go Scum-only with it, as it could plausibly be a pre-modification Falcon, it could have considerably different stats whilst still being a YT-1300 at heart. *shrug* That could keep the Scum from getting anything too OP for their upgrade cards out of the deal.

2 hours ago, SpiderMana said:

Even if they go Scum-only with it, as it could plausibly be a pre-modification Falcon, it could have considerably different stats whilst still being a YT-1300 at heart. *shrug* That could keep the Scum from getting anything too OP for their upgrade cards out of the deal.

Outer Rim Smuggler Stats with higher PS, new abilities and illicit on the upgrade bar. Could take Snuggling Compartment for double illicit.

Yeah, basically. So long as it doesn’t up & replace the pre-Erata Jumps I’m good.

On 10/21/2017 at 3:13 PM, GrimmyV said:

Whether he tied them up or not, where did they put 4 Imperials in the Falcon?

Probably in the empty space that was just vacated by three rebels and a wookiee.

16 hours ago, TopHatGorilla said:

Probably in the empty space that was just vacated by three rebels and a wookiee.

I hope that snuggling conpartment is air tight, those dead guys will start to stink after a while

1 hour ago, GrimmyV said:

I hope that snuggling conpartment is air tight, those dead guys will start to stink after a while

The Imperials planted a tracking device. They might have removed the bodies before the Falcon took off.

23 hours ago, jmswood said:

The Imperials planted a tracking device. They might have removed the bodies before the Falcon took off.

Good, at least they could get proper space barials. Or chunked into the garbage chute to be jettisoned before going to light speed. Which ever the imperial procedure is.

Yeah right... another OP big base ship für Scum is exactly what we need here.