A friend has proposed to trade AS (I don't have it and don't want a Lambda) for either Intensity or TLT. As an Imp-only player, which is the better deal?
Edit: I only have one Aggressor, and one copy of TLT and Intensity each.
Edited by Celestial LizardsHard choice. TLT only really seems worth it when you have multiple carriers, and then you'd want exactly as many as you have TIE Aggressors. In which case, you'd probably have multiples of Intensity, and it seems like the kind of card which doesn't really need multiples. With only one Aggressor, however, I think I'd rather have Intensity. It seems pretty reasonable on an /x7 Defender as a source for an occasional barrel roll. Maybe there's some other niche use for it. But a single TLT Aggressor just doesn't seem worth flying. It's too squishy, and Omega Leader is probably a better use of about as many points.
Alternately, just proxy in casual, and borrow/lend with friends at tournaments when it matters.
Intensity. You'll probably use it on a lot more of your ships. Of course, the ship you'll put it on has both in its Expansion Pack. I do like Advanced Sensors on Deathfire, but not a ton of Imperial ships use the System slot very well.
I'd keep hold of Intensity, just because there's only one place to get it.
If you wind up getting a 2nd Aggressor down the road you'll be more likely to want 1x Intensity 2x TLT than 2x Intensity 1x TLT.
I wouldnt trade. A single tlt aggressor is very nice to have as a filler option. Intensity on vader, juno and ryad is tons of fun. Probably will be on kylo as well.
Advanced sensors dont show up much in imp builds anyhow. Maybe as a niche puck on the upsilon and colzet.
Of course, it will be nice on kylo.
So Id say buy a lambda eventually. Otherwise trade tlt but for as and an ion turret. Ion turret kestal is tons of fun.
Keep Intensity. At the very least, it's incredible on Vader, also x7's.
And TLTs are utterly, utterly boring.
Edited by FTS Gecko7 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:I'd keep hold of Intensity, just because there's only one place to get it.
If you wind up getting a 2nd Aggressor down the road you'll be more likely to want 1x Intensity 2x TLT than 2x Intensity 1x TLT.
If he keeps the Intensity, he'll end up with 2x Intensity and 1x TLT.
Keep the TLT, Intensity doesn't really synergize with that many Imperial pilots like it does with the Rebel ones. Vader is the only pilot I can think of that can use it pretty well, but Vader without Veteran Instincts gets wrecked in competitive play against Nym and RAC+Kylo
TLT is the only reason to fly the TIE Aggressor that you bought.
Edited by TvboyMy logic was right, I just got my words ****-backwards. TRADE intensity for all the reasons I just stated...
2 minutes ago, Tvboy said:TLT is the only reason to fly the TIE Aggressor that you bought.
Just now, FTS Gecko said:
I knew that was going to trigger someone, but that was fast.
I think I would only get a Lambda for AS and Flight Instructor for my Frankenstien Upsilon builds.
Intensity is far more useful as an imperial player.
Valon Ruder + intensity is my favorite ship right now.
3 hours ago, Tvboy said:Keep the TLT, Intensity doesn't really synergize with that many Imperial pilots like it does with the Rebel ones. Vader is the only pilot I can think of that can use it pretty well, but Vader without Veteran Instincts gets wrecked in competitive play against Nym and RAC+Kylo
Valen ruder is the best pilot in the game across all factions for intensity so you are not thinking that hard....
1 hour ago, Icelom said:Intensity is far more useful as an imperial player.
Valon Ruder + intensity is my favorite ship right now.
Valen ruder is the best pilot in the game across all factions for intensity so you are not thinking that hard....
I was thinking about Poe, who can reliably trigger intensity every turn while still getting use out of the focus and gets to keep the evade from intensity with comm relay. QuickDraw seems like a much better Imperial pilot for Intensity than Valen. Intensity just seems like a poor mans PTL on Valen.
On the other hand as someone pointed out, additional copies of Intensity are redundant and TLTs are not.
Edited by Tvboy4 hours ago, Tvboy said:I was thinking about Poe, who can reliably trigger intensity every turn while still getting use out of the focus and gets to keep the evade from intensity with comm relay. QuickDraw seems like a much better Imperial pilot for Intensity than Valen. Intensity just seems like a poor mans PTL on Valen.
On the other hand as someone pointed out, additional copies of Intensity are redundant and TLTs are not.
It's ok to be wrong.....
But Valen is the best intensity pilot by far. If he doesn't trigger it in a turn it's because no one shot at him, and that's ok.
After you had one turn with Valen having boosted, barrel rolled, had a target lock, 2x evades and a focus without getting stressed then you see the power.
Ptl does not let you get a replacement evade, or focus where intensity does and not having to green next turn is very important. And most importantly once you Ptl with Valen his ability stops working.....
You are 100% wrong, try him and see.
I have had Valen at range 1 of 4x ships and drop his proton rockets off and get out taking 0 damage, he is "intense"
Intensity Valen is an imperial sleeper powerhouse. Either try him and see or get your *** handed to you by him and see.
Poe is good with it, Valen is a god with it.
My vote is trade the TLT. There are a lot more ways to kit out a solo Aggressor, and being the imperials only turret mount, I think you'll get a lot more use out of intensity. With the announcement of Wave 13 Intensity and Advanced Sensors will be even more useful to you next year.
12 hours ago, Icelom said:After you had one turn with Valen having boosted, barrel rolled, had a target lock, 2x evades and a focus without getting stressed then you see the power.
Wait. That means he got shot at 3 times for that many actions!
Which means he‘ll likely spend 2-3 of those defensive tokens again...
As an Imp player, TLT can go on exactly one ship atm.
23 hours ago, Celestial Lizards said:(I don't have it and don't want a Lambda)
See, this just makes me sad. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and I understand that each player has developed a unique flying style. But still, I feel bad for you. You need some albino space cow in your life.
Intensity is the card I use on Whisper almost exclusively lately. Its an awesome combo.
Intensity is definitely more useful for Imperials, or indeed anybody.
20 hours ago, Icelom said:After you had one turn with Valen having boosted, barrel rolled, had a target lock, 2x evades and a focus without getting stressed then you see the power.
OK. Aktion 1 target lock, gettin evade.
Action 2 from getting attacked doing a barrel roll, getting an new evade.
Action 3 from getting attacked a second time for boost and ... nothing, because your intensity card is now turned and your tokens are gone on top, so you won't doing this next turn. That is if you don't pop after eating two attacks to the face on a 4hp ship with just evades for defense.
I don't think you are playing Valen correctly. And once we reached past the 3rd attack, you are literally out of actions to perform and your pilot ability does literally nothing. Though an imperial interceptor style ship which eachs a 3rd attack in a single turn is usually a dead ship anyway. ;-)
32 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:OK. Aktion 1 target lock, gettin evade.
Action 2 from getting attacked doing a barrel roll, getting an new evade.
Action 3 from getting attacked a second time for boost and ... nothing, because your intensity card is now turned and your tokens are gone on top, so you won't doing this next turn. That is if you don't pop after eating two attacks to the face on a 4hp ship with just evades for defense.
I don't think you are playing Valen correctly. And once we reached past the 3rd attack, you are literally out of actions to perform and your pilot ability does literally nothing. Though an imperial interceptor style ship which eachs a 3rd attack in a single turn is usually a dead ship anyway. ;-)
Action: Target lock + evade
Get shot at: Barrel roll + evade (intensity)
Get shot at again: focus
Get shot at again: boost
Net effect is 1 target lock 2 evades, one focus, one boost, one barrel roll no stress.
And I have done the full set of actions in several games, see because of the evades and focus and auto thrusters the ship just keeps going. And almost always end a turn with a token to regen because its surprisingly hard to chew through an authruster ship that can generate 2 evades and a focus. You cant strip his tokens because he just generates them right back.
If you don't understand the chain of how something works don't accuse someone of "not playing it correctly"
Could Valen boost into R1 of a TLT carrier after the first shot? Or does the TLT get both shots before Valen's ability activates?
I'm really surprised that nobody else has suggested this, but....
...don't make the trade.
in my opinion, TLT and Intensity are both > Advanced Sensors. Advanced Sensors has rarely been used for the past couple years, and has only seen a revival in recent times thanks to Nym, and on almost any list where you might want to use Advanced Sensors you have other options for the Systems Slot that are nearly as good as AS, if not better (FCS anyone?) Even on Nym, AS is good but it isn't strictly necessary. Nym still does Nym stuff without AS pretty darn well, so you can save those 3 points and use them elsewhere in your list without losing much.
Intensity and/or TLT on the other hand... well just read all of the other posts in this thread to see multiple good reasons for hanging on to those cards.
To me the comments boil it down to...
Are you going to get a second Agressor?
If not: Think hard about whether you want to trade. Are you going to get Kylo Ren´ s Silencer? You will probably want the Adv Sensors, trade the TLT... If Kylo isn´ t on the horizon for you, you probably don´ t want them.
If so: Trade the intensity.