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Provinces and Strongholds

A player’s province cards represent a variety of circumstances and occurrences in the lands under the control of the Great Clans of Rokugan. During the game, players declare attacks against one another’s provinces, and successful attacks can result in a province breaking. If three of a player’s four non-stronghold provinces are broken, attacks may be declared against that player’s stronghold province. As soon as a player’s stronghold province is broken, that player loses the game.

PRETTY SIMPLE you must have missed it

27 minutes ago, LuceLineGames said:

I find this offensive as my ancestors were pedants. I challenge you to a duel, bow the loser of the duel.

My ancestors invented pedantry while you're just played with the scraps.

33 minutes ago, LuceLineGames said:

bow the loser of the duel.

I see what you did here.

4 minutes ago, Shirys said:

I see what you did here.

I'm trying to get this thread on track with actual L5R discussion, it's gotten completely out of hand.

10 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

My ancestors invented pedantry while you're just played with the scraps.

Carl? Is that you?

2 minutes ago, LuceLineGames said:

Carl? Is that you?

I know not this Carl.

It's interesting. I'd agree the stronghold province could be moved to if not for the text saying another eligible province. Since the conditions have not been met to make the stronghold eligible, I don't think it can be chosen.

48 minutes ago, LuceLineGames said:

I'm trying to get this thread on track with actual L5R discussion, it's gotten completely out of hand.

Carl? Is that you?

Carls with a C are bad Carls. Only trust the Karls with a K.

18 minutes ago, Mirith said:

Carls with a C are bad Carls. Only trust the Karls with a K.

A. What about Carl Sagan or Carl Weathers..................or..................um................Carl's Jr?

B. So you're a Marxist? No judgment.

*edit*

Um......WTH Google???

I just did a Google search for Carl Weathers and there is a picture of Terry Crews from Brooklyn 99

9 minutes ago, Ishi Tonu said:

A. What about Carl Sagan or Carl Weathers..................or..................um................Carl's Jr?

B. So you're a Marxist? No judgment.

*edit*

Um......WTH Google???

I just did a Google search for Carl Weathers and there is a picture of Terry Crews from Brooklyn 99

And would you trust them?

Just now, Mirith said:

And would you trust them?

It's not about trust, it's about accuracy. I mean there are 7 other pictures of the actual Carl Weathers and then just one rando pic of Terry Crews.

5 minutes ago, Ishi Tonu said:

It's not about trust, it's about accuracy. I mean there are 7 other pictures of the actual Carl Weathers and then just one rando pic of Terry Crews.

Just google "Muppet in a Kabuto" for a weird selection of pictures.

13 minutes ago, Mirith said:

And would you trust them?

If you're asking me if I would trust Apollo Creed and the father of modern astronomy......then yes, yes I would.

I suppose that puts me into the Carl with a C camp.

Muskets at dawn?

7 hours ago, Shiryo no Otaku said:

Apologies for any clickbaitiness in the title.

I have just spent the last 30 minutes looking through the rulebook for the answer and can find nothing so I am naturally turning to you wise elders.

I have looked through the Rules Reference in both the Glossary and Framework Steps and can find no prohibition on attacking my opponent’s stronghold province. You would think this would be an important stipulation they may wish to explain.

In the Learn to Play guide it says:

“During the game, players declare attacks against one another’s provinces, and successful attacks can result in a province breaking.

If three of a player’s four non-stronghold provinces are broken, attacks may be declared against that player’s stronghold province. As soon as a player’s stronghold province is broken, that player loses the game.”

Stronghold Provinces and Non-stronghold Provinces have no entry in the RR and the Province entry doesn’t help either.

But I will take it that I can’t DECLARE an attack against the Stronghold province (still undefined) until three non-stronghold provinces (also still undefined in the RR) have been broken.

So now we have Chasing the Sun (Unicorn Event) that allows me to change the province I am attacking to another eligible one. It doesn’t say cancel and re-declare the conflict. It’s says move. Naturally eligible is not defined anywhere either.

It’s all a bit woolly, and I for one would welcome some red text in the next RR that makes this clearer than clear.

Lest one assume that this has become the world’s most eligible splash card and games have got a lot shorter.

to another eligible one.

to another eligible one.

to another eligible one.

The card text sais it right there: You can only chooce between provinces that are eligable to attack. Since the normal provinces haven't been broken, the stronghold isn't eligible.

**** I fell for the clickbait, thought this was about some new Unicorn combo in the dynasty packs that lets me go straight for the Stronghold

OP, have you tried looking through the Comprehensive Rules Document rather than just the Learn to Play one, in case it is covered there?

11 hours ago, RandomJC said:

Only if your a pedant.

I see what you did they're.

9 hours ago, Robin Graves said:

to another eligible one.

to another eligible one.

to another eligible one.

The card text sais it right there: You can only chooce between provinces that are eligable to attack. Since the normal provinces haven't been broken, the stronghold isn't eligible.

The stupidity of the argument is that "eligible" is not a word as it's nowhere in the rulebook or the rule reference.

We'll get nonsense as this one every time they'll use a word on a card that we've not seen before...

This is completely stupid and I which there was an option on the forum to hide threads you don't want to see anymore.

I'd guess that now, instead of complaints that the reference rulebook is not in the core set, we'll have complaints that there isn't a dictionnary in it with all the definitions of all words used on the cards...

I don't think I understand the confusion here. Stronghold cards are clearly marked as such:

And the Province cards are also clearly marked....

23 hours ago, Mirith said:

What does pedantic on ice cream taste like?

Technically, it wouldn't have a flavor at all.

14 hours ago, Ser Nakata said:

The stupidity of the argument is that "eligible" is not a word as it's nowhere in the rulebook or the rule reference.

We'll get nonsense as this one every time they'll use a word on a card that we've not seen before...

This is completely stupid and I which there was an option on the forum to hide threads you don't want to see anymore.

You could always leave.

9 hours ago, Robin Graves said:

You could always leave.

Nah, I'm not a quitter.

On 13-10-2017 at 7:34 PM, LuceLineGames said:

Is using the word Pedantic also being pedantic with the English language?

On 13-10-2017 at 7:36 PM, Kakita Shiro said:

No.

Yes.

So... either FFG will FAQ this to clarify that you can, or can't.

But why bother until it's released (or closer to release)?