This release means that 4 months (approx), we will not have more packs right? I hope that is just to advance of the first cicle, but that doesn't means that the second cicle comes out early right! =S

(Sorry my english)

1 minute ago, BD Flory said:

Seems like a late course-correct. Weekly release creates a lot of logistical headaches and a higher cost (to everyone from FFG to players and all points in between) versus releasing a deluxe or two (one seeker box, one keeper box, perhaps) early.

Just an annoyance for me, though, not a deal breaker.

given FFG production logistics there is no way this is a course correction. these sets probably had to go to the printer 6 months ago.

I think people are getting carried away. This seems like a 1 time thing to jumpstart the game. Game of Thrones 2e could have used this, as it took 1 cycle for all the factions to be tournament worthy. And with kotei arriving in such a short time, i think they want to add more variation to the tournament scene.

As for deluxe boxes, they will probably follow the new GoT initiative of "when its ready, its ready."

1 minute ago, Arcendo A said:

This release means that 4 months (approx), we will not have more packs right? I hope that is just to advance of the first cicle, but that doesn't means that the second cicle comes out early right! =S

(Sorry my english)

My guess would be a late January or early February release for the start of the next block or a deluxe.

13 minutes ago, StompingGrounds said:

Oh, what were your other reasons? Sounds like you may already be on a hair trigger, so maybe this game isn't for you at all.

lack of success with any LCG in our area. Too spread out a player base. And yes this game is for me. I applied to playtest it the minute it was announced. My name is in the rules and product. I live and breathe L5R story for a long time. I went ot GenCon specifically for it's launch. but if the game won't be a success here I cannot justify buying product that will just end up sitting unused. this amplifies much quicker the inevitable barrier to entry for LCGs

I hope this is fake.

You may like this schedule or not (I personally dont), but this should have been anounced before the release, not shortly after. This shows little respect for the client. I personally feel like if they waited for us to invest in the game before throwing this shaking news...

I don´t know if I would have invested in the game in these conditions. For several reasons, I definitely like the game but probably I would not have joined. Anyway, I would have liked to know this before taking a decision.

As I say, I hope.

1 minute ago, Koriume said:

I hope this is fake.

You may like this schedule or not (I personally dont), but this should have been anounced before the release, not shortly after. This shows little respect for the client. I personally feel like if they waited for us to invest in the game before throwing this shaking news...

I don´t know if I would have invested in the game in this conditions, for several reasons, I definitely like the game but probably I would not have joined. Anyway, I would have liked to know this before taking a decision.

As I say, I hope.

You hope that an official announcement on the official FFG site is fake, on a day that's not april 1rst? You're bold!

2 minutes ago, Toqtamish said:

lack of success with any LCG in our area. Too spread out a player base. And yes this game is for me. I applied to playtest it the minute it was announced. My name is in the rules and product. I live and breathe L5R story for a long time. I went ot GenCon specifically for it's launch. but if the game won't be a success here I cannot justify buying product that will just end up sitting unused. this amplifies much quicker the inevitable barrier to entry for LCGs

The barrier to LCGs has always been the slow release cycle. This is what has detracted many from those games. And as you claim, past LCGs have struggled in your area, so following their same path would theoretically lead it down the same path of failure.

How about seeing how this plays out before calling for its demise.

2 minutes ago, feydruatha said:

given FFG production logistics there is no way this is a course correction. these sets probably had to go to the printer 6 months ago.

The monthly packs in a cycle get printed and shipped together, generally. Logistiically costly, but not an impossible change to make as late as summer.

FFG also develops their products a couple years out, so the course correct could have been, say, 1 year ago, after they were committed to individual packs by print orders and warehousing commitments and so on.

Just now, KerenRhys said:

You hope that an official announcement on the official FFG site is fake, on a day that's not april 1rst? You're bold!

I did see it here, could not find in ffg page yet.

From your words, I feel like my hopes are going to fade quite soon...

Yeah, that will be quick once you go there :

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/10/11/the-imperial-cycle/

4 minutes ago, Koriume said:

I hope this is fake.

You may like this schedule or not (I personally dont), but this should have been anounced before the release, not shortly after. This shows little respect for the client. I personally feel like if they waited for us to invest in the game before throwing this shaking news...

I don´t know if I would have invested in the game in this conditions, for several reasons, I definitely like the game but probably I would not have joined. Anyway, I would have liked to know this before taking a decision.

As I say, I hope.

"Shaking news?" Quite dramatic. *shrug* All of my customers are extremely hyped about this news. Not a single one finds it to be even remotely bad, and especially not "shaking."

Just now, StompingGrounds said:

"Shaking news?" Quite dramatic. *shrug* All of my customers are extremely hyped about this news. Not a single one finds it to be even remotely bad, and especially not "shaking."

I mean this changes substantially the schedule that I and my party were expecting, based on what has been the LCG policy up to now. Maybe shaking is not the word... english is not my mother language.

I respect any liking on this. I am just saying its not fair that we did not now before release of the core.

Just now, Koriume said:

I mean this changes substantially the schedule that I and my party were expecting, based on what has been the LCG policy up to now. Maybe shaking is not the word... english is not my mother language.

I respect any liking on this. I am just saying its not fair that we did not now before release of the core.

Did you buy 3 cores?

8 minutes ago, StompingGrounds said:

"Shaking news?" Quite dramatic. *shrug* All of my customers are extremely hyped about this news. Not a single one finds it to be even remotely bad, and especially not "shaking."

Our local group seems excited about the news, but more than a few are looking into a way to spread out the costs.

To me this is still better than any ccg out there, where I could pay 100 dollars for 36 packs and get 5 decent cards that don't mesh.

Here I pay 45-60 a month and get more options than I know what to do with. (Just this once as a special event)

Side note: I do not understand people talking about barrier to entry at the new year. You could still buy 2 core sets and have a decent deck for like 70 bucks and almost a play set of every other card in the set. Other card games 70 bucks get you one cruddy deck that you may not even like the play style of.

1 minute ago, caseycheesecake said:

Did you buy 3 cores?

Yes. But that is not the point. I invested more than money on it. I created a local group of 12 players, teached the game to 3 different people and organized along with a retailed a launch event. Now I receive news that mean that probably this game is not going to be for me.

Dramatic? no... I just trusted ffg policy, that appealed me both in investment and in schedule.. Now I trust less.

But that is all personal, and is not my point here. My point is that, fairly, customers should be able to expect this kind of news are public before the launch of the product.

3 minutes ago, Koriume said:

Yes. But that is not the point. I invested more than money on it. I created a local group of 12 players, teached the game to 3 different people and organized along with a retailed a launch event. Now I receive news that mean that probably this game is not going to be for me.

Dramatic? no... I just trusted ffg policy, that appealed me both in investment and in schedule.. Now I trust less.

But that is all personal, and is not my point here. My point is that, fairly, customers should be able to expect this kind of news are public before the launch of the product.

You trusted a policy that does not exist outside of your own head. I get that that could be frustrating, but give blame where blame is due.

and what has really changed between today and yesterday?

2 minutes ago, Koriume said:

Yes. But that is not the point. I invested more than money on it. I created a local group of 12 players, teached the game to 3 different people and organized along with a retailed a launch event. Now I receive news that mean that probably this game is not going to be for me.

Dramatic? no... I just trusted ffg policy, that appealed me both in investment and in schedule.. Now I trust less.

But that is all personal, and is not my point here. My point is that, fairly, customers should be able to expect this kind of news are public before the launch of the product.

To me (and my playgroup), this is actually.... welcoming news! We are very pleased about this unexpected announcement. The additional investment is of some concern, but we don't need to buy the new set if we don't like the cards in it, although many of us will do so regardless. For those that are unable to initially invest in the new cards, it's not a impossible feat, there's nothing that stops us from not buying the new packs.

Getting more cards in a card game is a good thing and a great way to keep the game fresh!

No one is "forced" to buy all of these in the 6 week time-frame they are released. Buy one a month for the next 6 months and you'll be right on what you imagined the release schedule would be. If your local playground doesn't like this schedule, make up your own. Agree on which to buy for which month as a group, then pick those up, rinse and repeat for the next 6 months.

I find the idea laughable that "competitive" players who would travel to as many events as possible are not capable of floating $15 a week for some cards, but are able to travel out of state (or country or whatever) for events.

Its still cheaper than a CCG and is still technically an LCG model. There are no rarities and every card in the box is fixed. As for cost, if you buy everything you are looking at $190 (3 cores and 6 dynasty packs). If you were to get a full playset of one of the CCG base sets (gold, ivory, etc) you would have to spend easily $400 (3 booster boxes for $130 each) or more and then you still aren't assured a full playset of every card.

I'll finish by repeating what I said earlier in this thread. 120 cards at one time and 3-6 months to enjoy that meta is much better than 20 cards at a time and 2-3 weeks to enjoy that meta. With the way they've released their other LCGs, you are always looking ahead at the cards that are coming out soon and never really get a chance to look at what you have now.

1 hour ago, StompingGrounds said:

Of course the entire play set will be included. That is the trademark of an LCG.

It may be now, but it wasn't initially - ask people who were playing GoT 1e for the first couple of blocks.

To be completely fair here...............can anyone that is claiming that this accelerated release was some sort of "bait and switch" ploy by FFG point to any article where FFG said that their L5R release schedule would be exactly the same as their other LCG's?

Just curious. I couldn't find one.

14 minutes ago, feydruatha said:

You trusted a policy that does not exist outside of your own head. I get that that could be frustrating, but give blame where blame is due.

and what has really changed between today and yesterday?

He trusted that FFG would release packs for an LCG block at the usual rate - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the first time FFG have done an accelerated release, so why would Koriume have any reason to expect otherwise?

The accelerated release schedule has changed - if Koriume has positioned the usual rate of release with his players, and they've budgeted around that, then an accelerated pace of release could put people off.

1 minute ago, Ishi Tonu said:

To be completely fair here...............can anyone that is claiming that this accelerated release was some sort of "bait and switch" ploy by FFG point to any article where FFG said that their L5R release schedule would be exactly the same as their other LCG's?

Just curious. I couldn't find one.

I dont think it is fair to say it this way. First, I would like to clarify that i dont claim that this is a dirty trick. I just say I dont like the way the are doing this.

But I have been playing LCGs for like ten years now, I have played four of them. LCG is now a trademark of a schedule and playset. I think its the other way around: if they were to change it, they should have told.