That is questionable enough to give me pause Ebon.
(Mafia)-TrainingDay5/7
right now I think Cninja is looking scummy, if on the slightest chance he's not though and comes through as town well then I would look to you...
and I feel his town chances are slim so I'm willing to hedge that bet
I'm not Town. I'm Self-aligned. With a town win condition so essentially town. (I mean wtf right?)
Why would I claim that if I was scum?
4 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:I'm not Town. I'm Self-aligned. With a town win condition so essentially town. (I mean wtf right?)
Why would I claim that if I was scum?
hide in plain sight.. why would you claim something 'normally town', seems like good play to me, in the sense people would think "why would a scum claim D2? "
oh he must be town, then there's the ability which if true would allow you to target town, even though your win condition is to eliminate town threats how can you be sure you won't target town in the process..? You were going to trigger it on JJ earlier who seems town enough to me at the moment.. how would that benefit town?
@JJs Juggernaut (1) Ninja
@CaribbeanNinja
(2)
JJ,
Anonymous, Ebon
With 7 alive it takes 4 to Lynch
Apologies if i missed any, watching this unfold from work, back on PC in a couple of hours.
1 hour ago, Madaghmire said:GNips, I was assuming that anonymous vote was yours? Can you confirm you actually had a vote taken?
I do not know whether it was mine. I can confirm that my vote was stolen though, so there is that. Whether the vote was mine via JJ, as he claims, or Norell's through some other agency, or neither, or anything else, I cannot say. I merely know I myself cannot vote.
1 hour ago, JJs Juggernaut said:No explanation when he just tries to kill me. I think he was surprised when he failed, and now has come up with a way to try and prove his innocence.
That he failed to kill you via the Trigger?
Here are some issues I have:
Why would a doc also have the poison ability?
Why would the scum have a doc?
Why would the scum have to kill during the day with a day-action, as that just reveals them to the rest of the town?
Why did JJ take my vote?
Who took Norell's, and why?
If CNinja is telling the truth, then he is dangerous, but also somewhat helpful through his doc ability. He only has to agree to not use his poison ability, and we have a standard doc, who can protect himself. That is useful. He loses nothing from it, as his win con is town's win con. He therefore has to forswear his poisoning, and be a normal cop. If he poisons, we lynch him as a traitor. If not, then he wins like town. So I think we ought to keep him alive. He protects somebody, maybe even blocking the night-kill, and all's well.
There is something else wrong with CNinja's attack on JJ that I know to be mistaken. I shan't specify, but suffice it so say that I am not convinced about JJ.
Rather, I think we avoid this binary issue entirely. Let us leave Cninja alive so long as he promises not to poison, with the agreement that if he poisons, he's next on the chopping block. Let us look into JJ, but from a fresh perspective. I can but assume he is telling the truth about being a vote-thief, as I have lost my vote. I can also partially see a reason for the action (I do want confirmation though).
Who else is scummy? Ebon seems OK with the binary face-off, and Mad is iffy too (not very, but still). Norell hasn't done much, and if he is telling the truth, he lost his vote. We can therefore assume that of us seven we have:
1) JJ the Thief
2) CNinja the M.D. (
)
3) Me - town
4) Norell
5) Mad
6) Ebon
7) Toad
One of the last three is a vote thief if Norell is to be believed. It is possible that both sides have a thief, but it also isn't. Either way, and especially the first way, it does mean that it is likely that one of the last three are scum. Therefore I suggest we look into them for a bit. We have the time to do so, I believe.
As a conclusion, I disagree that the fact that CNinja hasn't been turboed is suspicious as that assumes that the scum don't realize that in turboing they reveal themselves. Thus, he could well be a townie saved by the very fact that he needs just the right number to be lynched as we expect there are scum. Ebon may have revealed himself there, but then again, maybe not.
Also, sorry for the long post, it is an attempt to make up for my absences - that which preceded it, and that which shall soon follow, as it is nearing bedtime.
I took your vote because after D1 I was suspicious of you. So your vote was much safer in my hands.
I'm thinking Ninja's role might not be scum, but could be some other survival/serial killer role. After Norell surviving with an arsonist role for days straight, I'm really not okay leaving Ninja as a loose cannon.
6 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:
There is something else wrong with CNinja's attack on JJ that I know to be mistaken. I shan't specify, but suffice it so say that I am not convinced about JJ.
What does this mean?? If you have information helpful to the town, spill it!
Also, I'm thinking, if Ninja actually uses poison, maybe he didn't fail...I might just die tomorrow unless saved. Ninja's story has too many inconsistencies for me to ignore.
##vote Cninja
3 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:What does this mean?? If you have information helpful to the town, spill it!
I am hesitate to do so, as this may be a clever ploy by the scum to discover certain things.
8 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Why would a doc also have the poison ability?
Why would the scum have a doc?
Why would the scum have to kill during the day with a day-action, as that just reveals them to the rest of the town?
Why did JJ take my vote?
Who took Norell's, and why?
If CNinja is telling the truth, then he is dangerous, but also somewhat helpful through his doc ability. He only has to agree to not use his poison ability, and we have a standard doc, who can protect himself. That is useful. He loses nothing from it, as his win con is town's win con. He therefore has to forswear his poisoning, and be a normal cop. If he poisons, we lynch him as a traitor. If not, then he wins like town. So I think we ought to keep him alive. He protects somebody, maybe even blocking the night-kill, and all's well.
These are good questions, but you should try and answer them. A Mad Doc with a poison is strange, and far to dangerous IMO, especially if he is lying about his win-con, something you seem to assume he isn't. What if he could pull an arsonist and poison multiple people at a time? I don't like it.
2 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:Also, I'm thinking, if Ninja actually uses poison, maybe he didn't fail...I might just die tomorrow unless saved. Ninja's story has too many inconsistencies for me to ignore.
##vote Cninja
Then why not not vote him? If you live, all's well, AND we have a doc. He clearly expected you to die immediately, let's assume that that is how it works.
11 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:
Rather, I think we avoid this binary issue entirely. Let us leave Cninja alive so long as he promises not to poison, with the agreement that if he poisons, he's next on the chopping block. Let us look into JJ, but from a fresh perspective. I can but assume he is telling the truth about being a vote-thief, as I have lost my vote. I can also partially see a reason for the action (I do want confirmation though).
Who else is scummy? Ebon seems OK with the binary face-off, and Mad is iffy too (not very, but still). Norell hasn't done much, and if he is telling the truth, he lost his vote. We can therefore assume that of us seven we have:
1) JJ the Thief
2) CNinja the M.D. (
3) Me - town4) Norell
5) Mad
6) Ebon
7) ToadOne of the last three is a vote thief if Norell is to be believed. It is possible that both sides have a thief, but it also isn't. Either way, and especially the first way, it does mean that it is likely that one of the last three are scum. Therefore I suggest we look into them for a bit. We have the time to do so, I believe.
As a conclusion, I disagree that the fact that CNinja hasn't been turboed is suspicious as that assumes that the scum don't realize that in turboing they reveal themselves. Thus, he could well be a townie saved by the very fact that he needs just the right number to be lynched as we expect there are scum. Ebon may have revealed himself there, but then again, maybe not.
Also, sorry for the long post, it is an attempt to make up for my absences - that which preceded it, and that which shall soon follow, as it is nearing bedtime.
This is too risky a plan as I've said. However, it is some good place for discussion. However, it assumes Norell is truthful, and so are you. We don't know either of those things to be true. I agree the trubo might be too risky for scum. We'll see how long he sits at L-1.
1 minute ago, JJs Juggernaut said:These are good questions, but you should try and answer them. A Mad Doc with a poison is strange, and far to dangerous IMO, especially if he is lying about his win-con, something you seem to assume he isn't. What if he could pull an arsonist and poison multiple people at a time? I don't like it.
He triggered. He (seemingly) failed. If we make him promise not to trigger, then two things happen.
1) He was telling the truth, and wins
2) He was lying, and uses his ability in order to further his true win con. If this happens, he reveals himself, and dies.
He could be an arsonist. And if that is the case, then we may be able to delay until towards the end, and lynch him later. I am willing to risk it though, if he turns out to be telling the truth.
1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Then why not not vote him? If you live, all's well, AND we have a doc. He clearly expected you to die immediately, let's assume that that is how it works.
Note that Ninja has gone completely silent...letting us talk instead.
As I've stated, the risk is not worth it to me, especially after seeing how Norell used a similar tactic as an arsonist.
1 minute ago, JJs Juggernaut said:
This is too risky a plan as I've said. However, it is some good place for discussion. However, it assumes Norell is truthful, and so are you. We don't know either of those things to be true. I agree the trubo might be too risky for scum. We'll see how long he sits at L-1.
If Norell isn't truthful, then he is scum. I think it a bit too risky for scum to so openly reveal themselves. Either way, it means that the three others are the most likely candidates for the remaining scum, unless you or CNinja are one. I am inclined to believe you, for I haveno vote. I am inclined to believe CNinja, for his loyalty is forced, through his claim.
Thus I say we focus on the other four.
@CaribbeanNinja - you're watching. What do you think of what I have said? I can assure you that your arguments are flawed. Would you reconsider JJ's innocence?
I will ponder this as I'm at work. Your play is seeming very town right now GNiPs; You, Ebon, and Ninja were on both lynch trains yesterday. So Ninja or Ebon should be focused on. I still think Ninja for now. I'll be back in several hours.
@JJs Juggernaut (1) Ninja
@CaribbeanNinja
(3)
JJ,
Anonymous, Ebon, JJ
With 7 alive it takes 4 to Lynch
@JJs Juggernaut (1) Ninja
@CaribbeanNinja
(3)
JJ,
Anonymous, Ebon, JJ, Anonymous
Night begins now and last 24 hours or until all night actions are complete.
caribbean ninja has died, he was a self aligned Mad Doc.
##broadcast
Well. That was sudden. Given the vote, I can only assume that the scum have a vote thief too, or maybe that JJ can steal 2 votes? Unlikely. I think therefore that JJ is probably clean, as he probably stole my vote. Norell is similarly likely clean, as we clearly have 2 anonymous votes. Which means I was correct - Toad, Mad or Ebon: at least one of those 3 are scum, and if JJ is town, then likely 2 of them are.
Day 3 begins, and as the players emerge from their slumber one amongst them is missing.
They find his corpse shortly after, clinging to a stolen Ballot paper...
JJ's Juggernaught has died, he was a Town aligned Vote Thief
With 5 alive it takes 3 to Hammer
48 hours begins now
Right. That was somewhat expected.
So we have yet another vote thief who, given that he hammered CNinja, is likely a scum. It is unlikely to be Norell, as it was his vote that was stolen. Therefore, I think it was one of Mad, Ebon, or Toad. Of all these, Ebon seemed rather eager to hammer CNinja, so I am more inclined to vote him. What does everybody else think?
Bear in mind that with both JJ and CNinja confirmed town, 2 of the three are scum, unless the scum stole his partner's vote.