@JJs Juggernaut
- (1) Norell,
Ninja, Ebon,GNiP
@TheToad
-(1)
CNinja
@GhostofNobodyInParticular - (1) JJ Juggs ( cheeky =p )
@Visovics (4) Madaghmire, Toad, Ebon, Ninja, GNiP.
Final Vote count.
(Mafia)-TrainingDay5/7
I am alive!
Totally apologize people, had a complete runover on time that I actually thought would be next weekend. Basically Duke Of Edinburgh Silver expedition practice (the british will understand), and I had absolutely no equipment, so not only I was the last 3 days completely out in nature (welsh border is really pretty) without possibility of apologizing or telling you guys I'd be out, I also didn't manage before because of the rush to get ALL the equipment I needed.
COMPLETELY SORRY PEOPLE!!!!!
But I am alive despite the extreme tiredness, and that's good, thanks for worrying!
The rest of the campers emerge from their tents ready to observe the Natural Beauty of Day 2. =)
With 7 alive it takes 4 to Lynch
48 hours
Oh happy day!
No kills at night!
no night kill is good for town in a small game, but lets hope we don't have a cult on our hands though..
losing the jailkeeper wasn't the best but there wasn't much choice(meta: glad to hear you're okay Vis, DofE isn't something you want to pack for in a rush, fellow brit here)
I'd still like to hear from JJ about the Gnips vote, and from Mad, like Cninja I also thought that his last paragraph was a bit off the mark..
What about my last paragraph bothered you?
On 15/10/2017 at 9:36 PM, Madaghmire said:I was watching the jets get jobbed by the league office. That game should have got overtime when brady likely still would have won but at least i wouldnt feel robbed.
Anyway. I don't love the JJ turbo train. That all happened very fast and that worries me. I mean, I guess I get it, given the timing. But I think Toad is right I want to give JJ a chance to say something in his defense. I don't see why it started tho, except the vote on gnips over ebon given his earlier misgivings? Is that it?
Like JJ, I had ebon highest on my list until he explained the Training Day thing. He's still up there for me tho, because i have no idea how to evaluate that.
Has Visovics said anything yet? I'm not a fan of kill the quiet one but if he hasnt posted at all, then I don't know that we really have a choice. Anyway I'm going to keep checking till deadline, but I mean, theres getting irl busy for a day and not saying anything and theres getting irl busy for 72 hours straight, which strains credability. Even if he is town, he's not helping if hes not posting at all.
I don't even really understand why gnips or toad got a vote .
Just in case, I'm going to
##vote visovics
but I will be checking back to see if he says anything. If he does, and its even remotely reasonable, I intend to pull my vote.
I agree with Cninja the redirecting at the starts a bit off, the main thing for me was saying you understood why Gnips got a vote but then saying you didn't later on?? freudian slip perhaps while trying to get the post 'right'... also the fact such a long post came after not posting for over a day and you asked a lot that had answers from looking over previous posts..
Holy fuckery...I say I'm going to be away, and the scum jump all over me for the attempted turbo lynch...typical. I'm not even looking in Mad's direction since he is the only reason I'm alive, something scum wouldn't have been bothered to do. I expressed on early paragraph of suspicion at Ebon, then did the same to GNiPs afterwards, it makes sense for me to follow my most recent hunches, yet Ninja tries to spin it as me being inconsistent.
Let's look at the votes. We have Ebon, Ninja, and GNiPs on both lynch trains. Both candidates are town (Vis was, I still am (God please no cult...)). I doubt both scum would stick themselves out like that, but at least one almost certainly is. I was leaning Gnips yesterday, but that was day one suspicions. The developments of late yesterday have given me a new target.
##vote CaribbeanNinja
I'll give detailed thoughts in my next post. The plays late in the day are very telling.
I'm also going to claim here and now, I'm a town aligned Vote Thief. (ironic, since in my game Pod was a town vote thief, now I'm one in his). I know this role can be considered scummy, so I'm being open about it now. I stole GNiP's vote last night, due to still not being certain about him. I will be placing it on Ninja soon.
On 10/15/2017 at 11:25 AM, Norell said:##vote JJ
His town claim and indeed not reacting to Ninja's post is enough for me now, as we have basically nothing to work with.
This was just stupid Norell. I didn't react to Ninja's post, since he posted it AFTER I said I was going to be gone. (his posts before mine don't really reference me) And we did have things to work with. Keeping my eye on you.
On 10/15/2017 at 11:34 AM, CaribbeanNinja said:On 10/12/2017 at 6:32 PM, JJs Juggernaut said:
##role confirmed
Finally town again! I wonder what type of setup we are looking at. It's back to guessing without the open setup.
Two scum at most makes sense to me.
Who to look at first...hmmm, looking at the players, this one is going to be interesting, mostly all long time vets!
@CaribbeanNinja how's it going? How are things from your point of view?
Asks for reactions
On 10/14/2017 at 0:59 PM, JJs Juggernaut said:Well most of us have not seen the movie as previously mentioned....
Getting a little too touchy there Ebon. In mafia we have to look for verbal slips like that one. Currently you are pushing yourself to the top of my suspect list.
I'm also suspicious of Gnips a bit. I made my town statement to see what the reaction would be. The first reaction could go either way, but scum love to agree with the opinions expressed by others.
Ebon "at top of suspect list" but Gnips is thrown shade for responding to his post.
On 10/15/2017 at 10:11 AM, JJs Juggernaut said:I'm going to be away, possibly until after the deadline. I'm going with my only partial read so far.
##vote GNiPs
Not having people talk is only good for scum people. We need to get talking!
Why not vote Ebon? Why not explain it? I'm thinking too many questions here. More gut: I've actually talked myself into it.
Not great being D1, but I like that better than TheToad right now:
##unvote
##vote JJ
You very conveniently forgot another interaction between me an GNiPs.
Well for me I tend to be less available on weekends...don't know about him though.
I rather think focusing on quiet players is a scummy tactic. Unless the quietness persists.
-JJ
Except maybe your focus on going after those who are quiet.... (directed at GNiPs)
I would like to hear from some other people, but I'm not going to hang them for it just yet.
-JJ
Both of these posts are between the two you quoted. My suspicions were growing at GNiPs actions. Plus you don't even mention the fact that Ebon posted his defense to my suspicions before I swapped to GNiPs. Being on a time crunch (hence being gone the last 6 hours of the day), I didn't have time for a paragraph before my vote. It's a very clear doctoring of the facts to fit your "logic" of why I should have been lynched. In fact, it's very similar to what I tried to do to Mad two games ago when I was scum.
On 10/14/2017 at 5:31 PM, CaribbeanNinja said:I mean, everyone has kind of been quiet, even for a D1.
But @Visovics has been absent minus the confirm post.
However, I'm not sure that posting/lack of posting is indicative of scuminess. Take JJ for example. He is typically pretty quiet/posts infrequently. He does this whether he is scum (last game) or not.
Here you essentially say lack of posting isn't scummy. You also note I can be quiet.
On 10/15/2017 at 8:53 AM, CaribbeanNinja said:
Yup gonna go with my gut.
##vote TheToad
Posted about the flavor really and then his other post about "hoping it doesn't lead to a turbo lynch" smells a little.
This didn't smell to me at all, in fact turbo lynches are almost never good for the town. His statement was very town.
On 10/15/2017 at 11:15 AM, CaribbeanNinja said:The toad to me so far seems to be playing the same old toad, think his training day thing was a genuine attempt at starting some conversation..
I can see that as a possibility
Gnips has also talked about hopes of not being lynched, although I'm not too sure on the logic behind JJs vote on him?
This is what troubles me a little now.
I'm eager to hear from the quieter ones, what're peoples thoughts on my earlier post about a possible 3rd-party or a survivor/traitor role? Knowing Pod IRL I know he likes his flavour, just a guess..
Not sure what to think about that at all. I haven't paid attention to that at all. I agree that Pod could be doing something flavor-wise, but I'm not sure if it helps us. As a matter of fact I think it can cause problems for the town in that we are talking about something that isn't really related to voting and lynching a scum.
Admits toad could be just starting conversation, yet is still voting for him.
Second line sure sounds like what I told everyone scum likes to do, jump on the ideas of others, especially misguided town (which is what I think Ebon actually is).
No real thoughts on the third line.
On 10/15/2017 at 11:25 AM, CaribbeanNinja said:I agree that was the reasoning, went back and looked.
However what strikes me as odd is the lack of him giving us why, and the fact that he threw in the "We need to get talking!" right before saying he'll disappear.
First "Finally town again." I can buy. Second now is a little pattern. Yeah, might be nothing. If its another "trap" to see if anybody bites, well I think that you can only do that so many times.
Well since I was leaving, I was trying to get people to talk so it didn't just die away into nothingness! I had been driving a lot of the conversation, which is also a reason for scum to come after me.
Last line is him going back to his suspicions about Toad. Actually sneakily using my logic that scum like to jump on the ideas of others. I would actually agree a bit there. However, if we look back, Ebon basically called himself town the post after my initial one. By Ninja's logic, he should be the suspect, though ninja has avoided even looking at Ebon.
On 10/15/2017 at 11:28 AM, CaribbeanNinja said:In actuality it is very strange because after reading the thread JJ seems to have had more issues with Ebon than Gnips.
And the Gnips thing is incredibly weak in my opinion.
This is just straight up BS, for all the reasons I've explained. I had posted more about GNiPS than Ebon more recently. And he tops it off by stating the obvious. It was a day 1 read, we all know those are weaker; yet he used it as a piece of "evidence" against me.
On 10/15/2017 at 1:24 PM, CaribbeanNinja said:##unvote
On 10/15/2017 at 1:25 PM, CaribbeanNinja said:Careful here - that puts JJ at -1. I want to hear what he has to say. If it isn't good enough then the hammer.
This is the only thing that gives me slight pause. This is a solid town play. If Mad hadn't swooped in, I'm betting he would have jumped right back on me with the "oh well, can't go for a no lynch" even though he had to KNOW beforehand I wouldn't be back (I did state it rather clearly after all, and his posts indicate he read and understood that).
1 hour ago, EbonHawk said:I agree with Cninja the redirecting at the starts a bit off, the main thing for me was saying you understood why Gnips got a vote but then saying you didn't later on?? freudian slip perhaps while trying to get the post 'right'... also the fact such a long post came after not posting for over a day and you asked a lot that had answers from looking over previous posts..
Thats not redirection. Check the time stamp, im posting like ten minutes after the game ended. Thats just what I was doing on sunday.
As for Gnips, I at no point express any undetstanding of why Gnips got a vote. I ask if JJ's vote on nippy was why the JJ train started. I still dont get the reasoning for the vote on Gnips in d1.
Following JJ on ninja atm. Interested in finding out what the good umbrella drink shinobi has to say. The pull at l-1 seems pretty town.
2 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:Thats not redirection. Check the time stamp, im posting like ten minutes after the game ended. Thats just what I was doing on sunday.
As for Gnips, I at no point express any undetstanding of why Gnips got a vote. I ask if JJ's vote on nippy was why the JJ train started. I still dont get the reasoning for the vote on Gnips in d1.
Following JJ on ninja atm. Interested in finding out what the good umbrella drink shinobi has to say. The pull at l-1 seems pretty town.
I'm euro so I'll take your word on that, i'm guessing american football.. I'm happier with you than I was before mads but still got an eye on you
I think the vote on nippy was part of the reason the train started, think Cninja also pointed to some previous posts between the two
I was just checking in before going to bed for work so will check in the morning for a Cninja response I'd like to hear what he has to say in rebuttal...
Btw, I'm holding off my extra vote on Ninja, because if he actually is town the scum could turbo.
Also, in regards to the no night kill. I'm hoping a town role stopped it, and I understand said role keeping silent for their own safety. Anything else has me worried.
2 hours ago, Madaghmire said:As for Gnips, I at no point express any understanding of why Gnips got a vote. I ask if JJ's vote on nippy was why the JJ train started. I still don't get the reasoning for the vote on Gnips in d1.
I voted him because he was following Toad in expressing doubt on my day one "I'm finally town again" statement, something I expected scum to do. He was also focusing on quiet players a little too much (also potentially scummy). Yes, it seems like a contradiction that being quiet is scummy and so is going after quiet players....There is a line though.
Following JJ on ninja atm. Interested in finding out what the good umbrella drink shinobi has to say. The pull at l-1 seems pretty town.
I agree, it's the only thing that has me really holding off going full bore after Ninja. I can see a scum doing so to appear town, especially if he realized there was no way I'd be back and he could just hop back on after appearing "town". Plus, pulling back to wait for a claim from we when I said I'd be gone, is in itself a little weird.
12 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:I agree, it's the only thing that has me really holding off going full bore after Ninja
How is what you've posted so far NOT going full bore against me?
i am town and my actions are town. Remember the context. It was late D1 and there was little evidence at all. Your actions and vote are what started the train that didn't happen. I pulled back because that was the right play.
Mads didn't save you. He doomed Vis.
I haven't put my stolen vote on you. If that's your only defense, I'm not convinced. I'd claim now, I'm putting my stolen vote on you (it might take Pod some time to update it). You're at L-2
@CaribbeanNinja (2) JJ, Anonymous
With 7 alive it takes 4 to Lynch
play on!
5 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:He was also focusing on quiet players a little too much (also potentially scummy).
This is where I have my one issue with you. I was not focusing on 'quiet players'. I was focusing on Vis, singularly and specifically, because he appeared over-eager to start yet had posted nothing beyond his confirm. I was not going after him because of his silence per se, and indeed wouldn't have gone after him much if at all, had he not made such a big thing of wanting to start.
Indeed, that much ought to be clear by the fact that I didn't go after Mad, another largely silent player. You keep on using the plural when referring to the person I was focusing on, and I think it may have given you a skewed interpretation of my actions.
Also, what was that Trigger @CaribbeanNinja ? It seemed to have little effect.
1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Also, what was that Trigger @CaribbeanNinja ? It seemed to have little effect.
Bummer.
Failed attempt. Tried to kill JJ but I screwed it all up. Oh well.
I’m pretty sure he’s scum. I was willing to bet it all.
6 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:I haven't put my stolen vote on you. If that's your only defense, I'm not convinced. I'd claim now , I'm putting my stolen vote on you (it might take Pod some time to update it). You're at L-2
This kind of put me over on him.
1. His whole force of going after me has been way too much for D2.
2. The scum really want me dead and wonder why I didn't die last night.
3. The wanting me to claim right here when only he was voting for me. Even if double.
4. I am personally totally done with anymore "will be gone for some time" excuses. Nothing personal, but scum have used those before and I am not falling for it anymore.
5. I am a self aligned Mad Doctor. I protected myself last night. Hence no kill. My win condition is to have all threats to town eliminated. I can attempt to poison during day, but only if I protected at night. I missed that about my role.
##vote JJs Juggernaut