1) Advanced Sensors, should allow only Focus, Evades, and Target locks

2) Accuracy Corrector should be Primary Arc only

3) K4 Security Droid should state after completing a green maneuver, if you have not overlapped and obstacle or ship, you may take a free target lock within range 1 or range 2

What they affect:

Advanced Sensors Nerf: This stops all the crazy re positioning going on right now. Dare I say it almost as good as the Phantom was before the nerf due to seeing the board state before moving. Perhaps they could change the timing to match the new phantom or something.

Accuracy Corrector Nerf: This stops the TLT Ghost and Nym or any ship with AC and Autoturret. It makes them have to keep you in your arc. Yes, I know it's scary, but people can actually learn to do it.

K4 Security Droid Nerf: Having the ability to overlap and get a free target lock every turn is OP, this makes it based on your flying skill. Much like defenders are now too.

Overall:

All of these nerfs attempt to get the game back to being more about flying then about card combinations.

Thanks,

1 hour ago, eagletsi111 said:

1) Advanced Sensors, should allow only Focus, Evades, and Target locks

2) Accuracy Corrector should be Primary Arc only

3) K4 Security Droid should state after completing a green maneuver, if you have not overlapped and obstacle or ship, you may take a free target lock within range 1 or range 2

Like 2 and 3 for sure ?

I can get behind the K-4 nerf.

The others seem a bit heavy-handed for me, but I like that you didn't go full-tilt and say Accuracy Corrector should be primary attack only..

The only reason I don't like nerfing Adv. Sensors is because it seems to me that it's very accessible to all factions. But that may be dumb logic..

1. No. It may solve the current Nymlet problem, but it's not the right answer. Better to solve Nym in other ways. This was always around, it's just suddenly the hotness instead of funsies.

2. Maybe, maybe not.

3. I don't mind it. Same as x7 fix really.

1 minute ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

I can get behind the K-4 nerf.

The others seem a bit heavy-handed for me, but I like that you didn't go full-tilt and say Accuracy Corrector should be primary attack only..

The only reason I don't like nerfing Adv. Sensors is because it seems to me that it's very accessible to all factions. But that may be dumb logic..

I see your point on the sensors, but really like I said "You already know the board state when you activate, which means you can pretty much be anywhere you want, if you have a high PS" The pre nerf phantom had the same problem, and it can really make playing a very frustrating experience, and also has forced a PS Race that is going on now

Of these only K4 is a real problem.

2 minutes ago, eagletsi111 said:

I see your point on the sensors, but really like I said "You already know the board state when you activate, which means you can pretty much be anywhere you want, if you have a high PS" The pre nerf phantom had the same problem, and it can really make playing a very frustrating experience, and also has forced a PS Race that is going on now

Maybe not with Nym, but I can accomplish the same thing with the unreleased Tie Silencer and PTL.

Kylo + PTL + Adv sensors - adv sensor a token and PTL for my reposition. And if I set a green maneuver in then I'm not even penalized for stress.

You'd need to do more to adv sensors then.

The AC one is really missing the point when the real problem is how powerful TLTs are for their price

K4 makes complete and total sense, though.

Stop nerf herding! These cards aren’t the problem. They’ve been around for years! Is BB-8 OP on PTL Poe? Is K4 OP on Palob?

its the Toilet Seat 5000 all over again. It’s the ships and the pilots, not the upgrades. And there are counters. Find them, fly them.

2 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Well not for you Gecko, because you are in the small percentage that don't think the game is not fun when you have no control over board state unless you take the same ships as your opponent and when you don't have to plan a few turns ahead, or can get bombed even if you fly well.

But for others who actually like to play in games that are balanced and fair, and require skill to win games, instead of seeing the board state and making decision on it or having the best combination of cards. You know back when X-wing was about actually flying well instead of what are the best combinations of cards to give me the most actions. That completely circumvent the actual game rules.

2 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

Stop nerf herding! These cards aren’t the problem. They’ve been around for years! Is BB-8 OP on PTL Poe? Is K4 OP on Palob?

its the Toilet Seat 5000 all over again. It’s the ships and the pilots, not the upgrades. And there are counters. Find them, fly them.

Man **** k4 on palob

Dengar (crew) is where it's at

Single action Advanced Sensor repositioning is literaly only good if you are flying Nym, there is a reason VI Corran was using FCS back in the day. Nym can damage while being bumped, that is his power and how he avoids a lot of damage.

Nerfing Adv Sensors like this is pointless.

Funny how nobody had a problem with Acc Corrector and Adv Sensors until Nym came along...I remember running 4 AC TIE Adv with Cluster Missiles and nobody complaining, they just said "Wow, that's a pretty cool combo!"

Or flying a Phantom with Adv Sensors and after decloaking doing a pre maneuver barrel roll to move way out of the way of enemy firing arcs. People said "Wow, that definitely helps with avoiding me but just hope you don't roll blanks."

Face it, the upgrade cards aren't the problem. THE FRIGGIN BROKEN PILOT COMBOS ARE. I don't get how hard this is to understand.

K4 Security Droid I agree with, however. If X7 got the action/no bumpies treatment why should K4 be exempt?

Advanced Sensors is only going to get worse when Kylo arrives, but I think getting rid of all pre-maneuver repositioning is a bit much.

K4 needs to not work when you bump - right now it's used as a defensive upgrade where you bump into anything you don't want to shoot. If that change happens it's on a similar level to PTL. Further changes seem excessive.

Accuracy Corrector is a bit obnoxious on a TLT, but it's not really a problem card. At most I'd like it changed to "once per attack".

22 minutes ago, eagletsi111 said:

actually flying well instead of what are the best combinations of cards to give me the most actions.

Uh, when was that?

oh yeah, TIE swarm. Gotcha.

14 minutes ago, Warlon said:

K4 Security Droid I agree with, however. If X7 got the action/no bumpies treatment why should K4 be exempt?

Because it's Scum only. ?

These are all rotten ideas.

• If (and it's a big IF) Advanced Sensors needs a nerf you just move the timing to beginning of activation phase so you don't get knowledge of the opponent's dials.
• Accuracy Corrector is 100% fine. Poor, even. Fix TLT.
• K4 Security Droid is almost certainly fine.

15 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

K4 Security Droid is almost certainly fine.

I can see the argument to adjust him though.

He is autoinclude for many builds, which is often a red flag. And he still works in a way that turned out to be problematic. The change towards no bump/obstacle overlap makes the game generally better IMO, so I don‘t see why the same should not be true for K4

I would not mind if (almost) all effects that rely on a maneuver had the requirement of ‚no bump/overlap‘. Snap for example has that built in, and it looks line the newer cards work that way. If that‘s true then K4 is a relic of the past, and an adjustment is justified.

2) Accuracy Corrector should be Primary Arc only

I prefer that things like Autoblaster Turret can be evaded with evade tokens or similar.

Also, there is needed a FAQ with Genius in which you cannot throw bombs in ionized ship using genius.

"Genius": If you are equipped with a bomb that can be dropped before you reveal your maneuver, you may drop the bomb after you execute the assigned maneuver in your dial.

While K4 is hardly ruling the meta or anything, I'd certainly like to see an x7-esque change all cards of its kind. No triggers on being blocked or stressed. You should not be rewarded for poor flying.

Accuracy Corrector is fine as it is.

Advanced Sensors is only a problem on Nym and potentially on Kylo. I'd say nerf Nym (since the chassis shares a good bit of the blame) and wait to see what happens with Kylo.

52 minutes ago, JJFDVORAK said:

Because it's Scum only. ?

This man gets it.

1 hour ago, Warlon said:

Funny how nobody had a problem with Acc Corrector and Adv Sensors until Nym came along...I remember running 4 AC TIE Adv with Cluster Missiles and nobody complaining, they just said "Wow, that's a pretty cool combo!"

Or flying a Phantom with Adv Sensors and after decloaking doing a pre maneuver barrel roll to move way out of the way of enemy firing arcs. People said "Wow, that definitely helps with avoiding me but just hope you don't roll blanks."

Face it, the upgrade cards aren't the problem. THE FRIGGIN BROKEN PILOT COMBOS ARE. I don't get how hard this is to understand.

K4 Security Droid I agree with, however. If X7 got the action/no bumpies treatment why should K4 be exempt?

This. You're trying to treat the symptoms rather than the disease, so to speak.

2 hours ago, eagletsi111 said:

1) Advanced Sensors, should allow only Focus, Evades, and Target locks

2) Accuracy Corrector should be Primary Arc only

3) K4 Security Droid should state after completing a green maneuver, if you have not overlapped and obstacle or ship, you may take a free target lock within range 1 or range 2

What they affect:

Advanced Sensors Nerf: This stops all the crazy re positioning going on right now. Dare I say it almost as good as the Phantom was before the nerf due to seeing the board state before moving. Perhaps they could change the timing to match the new phantom or something.

Accuracy Corrector Nerf: This stops the TLT Ghost and Nym or any ship with AC and Autoturret. It makes them have to keep you in your arc. Yes, I know it's scary, but people can actually learn to do it.

K4 Security Droid Nerf: Having the ability to overlap and get a free target lock every turn is OP, this makes it based on your flying skill. Much like defenders are now too.

Overall:

All of these nerfs attempt to get the game back to being more about flying then about card combinations.

Thanks,

Nerf You you Laser Brained Scruffy Looking Nerf Herder!

I'll Nerf Your List Up.

27 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

I can see the argument to adjust him though.

He is autoinclude for many builds, which is often a red flag. And he still works in a way that turned out to be problematic. The change towards no bump/obstacle overlap makes the game generally better IMO, so I don‘t see why the same should not be true for K4

I would not mind if (almost) all effects that rely on a maneuver had the requirement of ‚no bump/overlap‘. Snap for example has that built in, and it looks line the newer cards work that way. If that‘s true then K4 is a relic of the past, and an adjustment is justified.

For me the biggest difference is that the x7 was a cost reduction AND and an action equivalent... With the K4, it is a 3 point (and crew) cost for the effect. Pretty similar to the R2-D2 effect, dial in a Green, get "x". Guess I'm just not seeing this as a major problem as it is not a cheap Crew to get the TL... But that's just me I guess...