4 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

Nothing about that movie is memorable, except perhaps how unlike the source material it is, and how wrong for the part Reeves is.

Whoa.

So anyway, back to Ghosts of Dathomir and spoiling all the good bits... any new Lightsaber attachments? What about other personal scale equipment? What are the various ships that have stats?

I'm genuinely surprised the base state of the Inquisitor lightsaber doesn't have a rank of Defensive. That ring guard has proven decent hand protection in the finale of Season 2. Two Inquisitors should have gotten hands chopped off (as we see fairly often in Star Wars), but instead the ring guard deflected the saber strikes. Admittedly, the lightsabers took some damage from being struck, but that's better than losing a hand. Just ask Luke. Or Anakin. Or Grievous... Or Dooku... Or, or, or...

Yeah, before this when I was statting the spinny-sabers, I gave them Innate Talent: Resist Disarm due to that guard.

12 minutes ago, Absol197 said:

Yeah, before this when I was statting the spinny-sabers, I gave them Innate Talent: Resist Disarm due to that guard.

Ah! That's actually a great idea, thanks! I might just houserule that into my game. My party is really big on disarming foes.

51 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

Whoa.

Well played.

1 hour ago, Absol197 said:

Yeah, before this when I was statting the spinny-sabers, I gave them Innate Talent: Resist Disarm due to that guard.

53 minutes ago, Underachiever599 said:

Ah! That's actually a great idea, thanks! I might just houserule that into my game. My party is really big on disarming foes.

1 hour ago, Underachiever599 said:

I'm genuinely surprised the base state of the Inquisitor lightsaber doesn't have a rank of Defensive. That ring guard has proven decent hand protection in the finale of Season 2. Two Inquisitors should have gotten hands chopped off (as we see fairly often in Star Wars), but instead the ring guard deflected the saber strikes. Admittedly, the lightsabers took some damage from being struck, but that's better than losing a hand. Just ask Luke. Or Anakin. Or Grievous... Or Dooku... Or, or, or...

I think the reason why they didn't include Defensive is because of how easily Kanaan cut through the connection between the ring "guard" and the rest of the hilt as it was spinning, destroying the saber. IMO, not a very good "Defensive" weapon there.

I'm glad Kanan found out how to stop those things which is what I had been hoping for since they were introduced. They also made Vader discover the same thing but that was on the very first time he fought against a spinny saber.

1 hour ago, Tramp Graphics said:

I think the reason why they didn't include Defensive is because of how easily Kanaan cut through the connection between the ring "guard" and the rest of the hilt as it was spinning, destroying the saber. IMO, not a very good "Defensive" weapon there.

They offer more hamd protection than any other lightsaber. Which, like I pointed out, we see in action twice in the finale. As someone who actually practices a few different types of martial arts involving swords, I can attest to how much difference a simple ring guard makes. (Katana vs Polish saber)

Just now, Underachiever599 said:

They offer more hamd protection than any other lightsaber. Which, like I pointed out, we see in action twice in the finale. As someone who actually practices a few different types of martial arts involving swords, I can attest to how much difference a simple ring guard makes. (Katana vs Polish saber)

I've got to disagree with that first statement. The lightsaber hilt styple which I feel has the best defensive capability is the crossguard saber.

52 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

I've got to disagree with that first statement. The lightsaber hilt styple which I feel has the best defensive capability is the crossguard saber.

Unless you have a cotosis crossguard I don’t see Kylo Rens lightsaber stopping a riposte the other blade would cut right thru it.

11 minutes ago, Eoen said:

Unless you have a cotosis crossguard I don’t see Kylo Rens lightsaber stopping a riposte the other blade would cut right thru it.

Nope. The plasma quillions themselves provide the defense. It's specifically what they were originally designed for, aside from venting excess energy.

3 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

I've got to disagree with that first statement. The lightsaber hilt styple which I feel has the best defensive capability is the crossguard saber.

As someone who has handled both swords with crossguards and swords with basket hilts and ring guards, I absolutely guarantee that the ring guard better protects the hand from a direct attack. Crossguards are great for binding (Which we see with Finn and Kylo Ren, albeit in an unconventional way), but they do little to protect the hands from sniping from a distance. Their primary purpose is to stop a blade that's sliding down your blade. Lightsabers don't even slide against each other very well, as we can clearly see in all of the movies (Seems they stick to each other). Ring guards and basket hilts, on the other hand, are excellent for protecting your full hand in all manner of ways. And in both cases that we saw in the finale of Season 2, the rings of the lightsaber held together after the initial strike against them. Granted, the Fifth Brother had his lightsaber knocked from his hand, but the main weapon itself still appeared functional. Likewise, the Eighth Brother's lightsaber was working just fine after protecting him from a hit from Kanan, and it only failed when he used the spinning feature.

Sure, the plasma blades of the crossguard saber are going to stand up to more hits than the metal of the ring guard, but I'd gladly take that trade-off for more all-around protection. And just never use that spinning function. It's a big part of why I prefer military saber over longsword in martial arts.

@cielago , any species stats such as a Dathomiran Human (like Mandos in Friends Like These)? Any chance to tell us what the ships are? Also, any "player specific" rules/stats?

Thanks for doing this!

13 hours ago, Tweedledope said:

@cielago , any species stats such as a Dathomiran Human (like Mandos in Friends Like These)? Any chance to tell us what the ships are? Also, any "player specific" rules/stats?

Thanks for doing this!

No new player species, although there are NPC stats for Nightbrothers (generic minion and named nemesis).

The 580-AVA "Dash" is a collapsible speeder bike.

There's also a rather cool looking NN-01 Imperial Enforcement Airspeeder.

18 hours ago, Underachiever599 said:

As someone who has handled both swords with crossguards and swords with basket hilts and ring guards, I absolutely guarantee that the ring guard better protects the hand from a direct attack. Crossguards are great for binding (Which we see with Finn and Kylo Ren, albeit in an unconventional way), but they do little to protect the hands from sniping from a distance. Their primary purpose is to stop a blade that's sliding down your blade. Lightsabers don't even slide against each other very well, as we can clearly see in all of the movies (Seems they stick to each other). Ring guards and basket hilts, on the other hand, are excellent for protecting your full hand in all manner of ways. And in both cases that we saw in the finale of Season 2, the rings of the lightsaber held together after the initial strike against them. Granted, the Fifth Brother had his lightsaber knocked from his hand, but the main weapon itself still appeared functional. Likewise, the Eighth Brother's lightsaber was working just fine after protecting him from a hit from Kanan, and it only failed when he used the spinning feature.

Sure, the plasma blades of the crossguard saber are going to stand up to more hits than the metal of the ring guard, but I'd gladly take that trade-off for more all-around protection. And just never use that spinning function. It's a big part of why I prefer military saber over longsword in martial arts.

YEs, but what that big circle is, isn't a ring guard and is fairly useless as a basket hilt.The ring guards I've seen are rings that make up a crossguard; broadening it and allowing it to cover more of the face of the hand, The reason why the crossguard saber is more defensive is the fact that the quillions are energy quillions, made of the same plasma as the lightsaber blade. Rebels pretty well shows us how useless those rings are at defense. They're only there to facilitate the "Spinning" feature of the weapon.

8 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

YEs, but what that big circle is, isn't a ring guard and is fairly useless as a basket hilt.The ring guards I've seen are rings that make up a crossguard; broadening it and allowing it to cover more of the face of the hand, The reason why the crossguard saber is more defensive is the fact that the quillions are energy quillions, made of the same plasma as the lightsaber blade. Rebels pretty well shows us how useless those rings are at defense. They're only there to facilitate the "Spinning" feature of the weapon.

This is the type of sword I am referring to when I mention a ring guard. Crossguards are great for a certain type of swordfighting, however it's less likely to have a meaningful impact as far as hand protection for a lightsaber is concerned. Quillons on a longsword protect the user from an opponent's blade sliding down their own blade. They do little to protect the hand from a direct strike. A lot of people who practice longsword wind up with broken hands and broken fingers due to this lack of protection. As I've already addressed, lightsabers don't even slide against one another well, and instead tend to stick to each other. So yes, while Kylo Ren's lightsaber has quillons made of energy, they're more useful as an extra form of offense than in any defensive sense.

Meanwhile, guards like the one I posted above protect all of the fingers on your hand, making it a lot harder for an opponent to land a clean hit on your hand. Polish sabers, like the one I posted above, are less protective than the more full cup-style guard of the British sabers, but that ring covering the fingers still provides vastly more protection to the hand than a regular crossguard. I know far less saber users who have broken fingers from sparring than I know longsword users. It's also the closest real-world equivalent we have to this:

And while you claim that " Rebels pretty well shows us how useless those rings are at defense," this statement is directly contradicted by what we see on screen in the Season 2 finale. Ahsoka tries to take off the Fifth Brother's hand, and instead his lightsaber's ring gets slightly damaged and the weapon gets knocked out of his hand. The lightsaber part itself appears to still be functional, as it's only the outer ring that was damaged. If he'd had a tighter grip, there's absolutely no reason he wouldn't have been able to keep fighting, and most importantly, he didn't lose a hand. Likewise, Kanan tries to disarm the Eighth Brother, and yet again, the ring of the Inquisitor's lightsaber protected him from losing a hand, and his lightsaber was still functional after being struck. That's two instances in a single episode of Rebels that show the metal on that ring was durable enough to at least protect the hand from a blow that otherwise would have cut it off. So while on the surface, the ring around the lightsaber is there primarily to facilitate the spinning feature, it serves a secondary function of protecting the hand from a direct lightsaber strike, as demonstrated in Season 2.

3 minutes ago, Underachiever599 said:

This is the type of sword I am referring to when I mention a ring guard. Crossguards are great for a certain type of swordfighting, however it's less likely to have a meaningful impact as far as hand protection for a lightsaber is concerned. Quillons on a longsword protect the user from an opponent's blade sliding down their own blade. They do little to protect the hand from a direct strike. A lot of people who practice longsword wind up with broken hands and broken fingers due to this lack of protection. As I've already addressed, lightsabers don't even slide against one another well, and instead tend to stick to each other. So yes, while Kylo Ren's lightsaber has quillons made of energy, they're more useful as an extra form of offense than in any defensive sense.

Meanwhile, guards like the one I posted above protect all of the fingers on your hand, making it a lot harder for an opponent to land a clean hit on your hand. Polish sabers, like the one I posted above, are less protective than the more full cup-style guard of the British sabers, but that ring covering the fingers still provides vastly more protection to the hand than a regular crossguard. I know far less saber users who have broken fingers from sparring than I know longsword users. It's also the closest real-world equivalent we have to this:

And while you claim that " Rebels pretty well shows us how useless those rings are at defense," this statement is directly contradicted by what we see on screen in the Season 2 finale. Ahsoka tries to take off the Fifth Brother's hand, and instead his lightsaber's ring gets slightly damaged and the weapon gets knocked out of his hand. The lightsaber part itself appears to still be functional, as it's only the outer ring that was damaged. If he'd had a tighter grip, there's absolutely no reason he wouldn't have been able to keep fighting, and most importantly, he didn't lose a hand. Likewise, Kanan tries to disarm the Eighth Brother, and yet again, the ring of the Inquisitor's lightsaber protected him from losing a hand, and his lightsaber was still functional after being struck. That's two instances in a single episode of Rebels that show the metal on that ring was durable enough to at least protect the hand from a blow that otherwise would have cut it off. So while on the surface, the ring around the lightsaber is there primarily to facilitate the spinning feature, it serves a secondary function of protecting the hand from a direct lightsaber strike, as demonstrated in Season 2.

Yeah, that's called a "D" guard, not a "ring guard. I watch a lot of Forged in Fire .

This is a "Ring guard:

3 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Yeah, that's called a "D" guard, not a "ring guard. I watch a lot of Forged in Fire .

This is a "Ring guard:

Forgive the failure in terminology. I know more about using swords than the terminology of them.

SPOILERS!!!!!!

How would you make a lightsaber crystal with the main plot point? I think it would be cool to have parried give you memories of your opponent to use narratively. It could also be used as a vampire weapon that absorbs strain or wounds on a hit. Lastly, it could be used with conflict on a kill in to temporarily raise the user's force power.

Thoughts?

Can I be honest, lightsabers aren’t exactly real world!!!

more importantly can we have the full spiny sabre stats please

On ‎13‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 11:58 PM, SithArissa said:

This power fits Arissa so much it hurts.

Believe it or not, I intended to swap out the villain for one of our own PCs - who coincidentally has a mask, red hair, a (regular) red lightsaber and a seriously bad attitude. And who has long since maxed the Emergent trees and has a hundred or so XP that's just waiting to be spent on a nasty new Force power...

More importantly, I wanted to run it with the AOR group, so we can finally have a PC head-to-head between our two most physically-powerful PCs (the other one is also an Emergent, but more like Captain America than a super-powered Harley Quinn like Red is).

So yeah, Marcy Want.

Does the Spinsaber have a price/rarity listed? Or is it just an NPC weapon?

The Spinsaber is a NPC weapon

On 10/14/2017 at 2:06 PM, Tramp Graphics said:

Nope. The plasma quillions themselves provide the defense. It's specifically what they were originally designed for, aside from venting excess energy.

No there’s about an inch of metal coming out of the handle before the plasma quillions. Any lightsaber hitting that will lop off the quillion an likely part of the hand holding it. At the very least the saber would be pretty damaged as that’s where the projector is, and it’s already in canon an unstable crystal.