The stores near me are doing well with new players showing up regularly. X-Wing nights are almost always great fun, some people are experimenting with playing or beating or optimizing meta stuff, others are flying completely casual lists...and most of us even do both! All while enjoying the game like peaceful adults in the same store believe it or not. Madness right?

The doom and gloom seems a little over the top. Yes...Nym, Miranda, and Jumpmasters are the best ships in the game. No that doesnt mean the game is dead. Look at all the new ships and toys they just announced this summer. There is going to be a **** bullseye firing arc!!! And I dont care what anyone says the Gunboat and Tie Silencer are going to be amazing. Git over it.

"X-Wing is fun. Pew Pew Pew!"

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X wing is 100% fun! It's all about what you make of it. Whether I lose, win, fly a meta list, fly casual it doesn't matter. It's all about what I make of it. Playing tournaments or in my living room makes no difference.

more people need to just enjoy playing with their toys again and stop worrying about "the meta." Lord knows we've all spent enough money on these plastics ships that we might as well enjoy them

"pew pew pew"

I'm really enjoying it. We have a regular group who've been playing together for ages, but I've also found some workmates who play - so we're starting to organise more games, and seeing how the groups have evolved different play styles.

Trying different formats helps too. We ran a "Miramar Cup" league a while back (30 points, single ship, no unique/named cards) which was a lot of fun, though most games sit in the 100-150 point range.

Totally agree with OP.

Who cares about the repetitive final tables of high profile tournaments, that's a tiny fraction of the possibilities of the game. Own your experience responsibly. I've been in the game forever (Jan 3rd 2013).

@Boom Owl I completely agree.

Also, I have to say, I am enjoying all the owl memes you have been posting lately. To show my appreciation for the upbeat attitude, here's an owl gif right back at ya!

X-wing is indeed fun. I've just been playing in a charity tournament. Over 90 scruffy nerf herders (And at least 2 ladies) raised over £4000 merely by playing X-wing.

(And my silly Porkins list was one unlucky dice roll away from making the top 16 cut!)

What this madness ? Positivity on x-wing forum ?

Don't judge the community by one clickbait thread.

I haven’t really got anything to add to the title, I just want to bump this up above the other thread

UKTC this weekend. Can’t wait!

46 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Don't judge the community by one clickbait thread.

Or by posters who only ever seem to make a contribution in negative, clickbait threads for that matter. Especially posters who are on their second account. Naming no names.

18 minutes ago, Estarriol said:

UKTC this weekend. Can’t wait!

Hope you have a great time @Estarriol - wish i was going, unfortunately it's my birthday weekend so I'm going to be going out, getting drunk, eating a late night kebab and generally acting like I'm half my actual age (no change there then).

How did you get on at Nationals, by the way?

I've had fun with Xwing lately for a few reasons:

1. There's been quite a bit of interest in Epic play in my local scene recently, so I've got games in with my C-ROC, Gozanti, and Raider (and I've now used ALL of the epic ships, woot!)

2. We played a 60-point tournament where we could bring as many lists as we want (like a very expanded hangar bay). It was awesome fun, and a 55 point solo Corran list (yes, with Advanced Proton Torps) won the whole thing!

3. We played an escalation tournament, a first for me, and it was great to see 5 imperial, 3 rebel, and no scum show up :-P

4. I won a store champs with dual S/Fs and a TIE bomber with fleet officer. Man those ships are a blast to fly!

1 hour ago, FTS Gecko said:

Hope you have a great time @Estarriol - wish i was going, unfortunately it's my birthday weekend so I'm going to be going out, getting drunk, eating a late night kebab and generally acting like I'm half my actual age (no change there then).

How did you get on at Nationals, by the way?

I didn’t go my club sent two players, Dale who was onstream with Soontir and finished 100ish and Steve who finished 40ish with Rey. Not a bad showing!

Might go next year with gunboats

18 minutes ago, Estarriol said:

I didn’t go my club sent two players, Dale who was onstream with Soontir and finished 100ish and Steve who finished 40ish with Rey. Not a bad showing!

Might go next year with gunboats

Steve just missed the cut then, that's good, it was a really tough field! I finished mid 100's with my ridiculous Dengar/Fenn list, only took one real battering though, had some really close games. It was a great weekend, definitely on par with Yavin or the Euros!

7 hours ago, Scammarato182 said:

X wing is 100% fun! It's all about what you make of it. Whether I lose, win, fly a meta list, fly casual it doesn't matter. It's all about what I make of it. Playing tournaments or in my living room makes no difference.

more people need to just enjoy playing with their toys again and stop worrying about "the meta." Lord knows we've all spent enough money on these plastics ships that we might as well enjoy them

"pew pew pew"

Some of the most fun matches I have played have been losses. A while back I was playing an end of league tournament match and time to finish the last round was called. I was running away with a 1 hull Dorsal equipped Kavil and my opponent was on my tail with a 3 health, tokened up Glaive Defender. I shot first and was sure to die if he returned fire, but I only got a single crit through. As he reached for his damage deck I said, "Blinded Pilot! Blinded Pilot! Blinded Pilot!"

He pulled Blinded Pilot and could not shoot back. When we added up the points he still beat me by 1 point (and in this tournament MOV didn't matter) so it didn't change the outcome but to this day we both laugh about how that was his most infuriating victory ever.

4 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

eating a late night kebab

Mind if I ask where you live? The only place I know of where you can get Kebab's is New Zealand, and I have sorely missed them. I'd kill to be able to get a Kebab here in the continental US.

Just now, Herowannabe said:

Mind if I ask where you live? The only place I know of where you can get Kebab's is New Zealand, and I have sorely missed them. I'd kill to be able to get a Kebab here in the continental US.

I live in the UK, and kebabs (or gyros) are pretty popular throughout Europe.

You could always try making your own! Let the Hairy Bikers help:

10 hours ago, Scammarato182 said:

X wing is 100% fun! It's all about what you make of it. Whether I lose, win, fly a meta list, fly casual it doesn't matter. It's all about what I make of it. Playing tournaments or in my living room makes no difference.

more people need to just enjoy playing with their toys again and stop worrying about "the meta." Lord knows we've all spent enough money on these plastics ships that we might as well enjoy them

"pew pew pew"

Also worth noting you have four posts, and are probably a newer player.

Some people have been playing X-Wing for over five years now. Burnout is inevitable.

56 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

Mind if I ask where you live? The only place I know of where you can get Kebab's is New Zealand, and I have sorely missed them. I'd kill to be able to get a Kebab here in the continental US.

I live in Canada, and they're widely available here, too. I bet you could get them in large cities with a large 'ethnic' presence.

True story

Here here!

We organized a casual tournament with limited ship types allowed. Without any promotional material beyond a Facebook post and no prizes at all, we got 8 players to join in the fun.

Over the summer, we had an epic league where once a month you played an epic game... And you had to rebuild your fleet after taking losses before the next match - uniques were dead for all future games if they were shot down.

I got the chance to play through the included C-ROC campaign this year, and that was awesome.

Flew in two unique HotAC experiences this year as well.

There are tournaments everywhere to be sure, but folks are playing with lots of things and lots of different formats. I've flown stuff in every faction this year.

Anyone who is negative about the game is either playing the wrong game and should find something else, or has managed to find only the "got to practice for worlds" crowd.

I've done every format of the game at some point since wave 11 came out and I dare say it's all great fun!

Fun is subjective

For me, the game isn't "dead" because of meta lists (or at all, mind) but I'm really not playing as much because the meta lists have a lot of turrets specifically. I really do not enjoy playing against those

As opposed to the Palp ace brobot days where I enjoyed flying freaking DEATHRAIN to victory

But me not finding things fun doesn't really mean much for the overall games health. While I believe that turrets really clash with the games entire manuevering gimmick, I can also just play less until the GUNBOAT!!!! comes out

Ffg could really stand to give arclocked ships more incentive to see play, though, given how they're infinetly more difficult to get shots with

8 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

But me not finding things fun doesn't really mean much for the overall games health. While I believe that turrets really clash with the games entire manuevering gimmick, I can also just play less until the GUNBOAT!!!! comes out

I think this "anti-turret" view is utter non-sense, for the record. I fail to see why turrets are any more antithetical to the game's maneuver-bluffing focus than arc-dodgers.

Turrets pay a premium (ie, are typically points-inefficient) in order to attack out of arc .

Arc-Dodgers can move twice after doing their maneuver, usually with now perfect knowledge of the enemy.

Both styles still leave room for maneuvering being important (e.g. for a turret to make up its inefficient cost, it has to minimize incoming shots while the opponent wants to maximize its attacks against it, while arc dodgers want to avoid block-efforts of the opponent). Nevertheless, both mechanics go against the manuever-bluffing focus of the game. When my opponent can move twice after we've dialed in and revealed our maneuvers, they're violating that core mechanic as well, and I'd argue perhaps even more than a turret. Because if your list does not have hard-counters to arc-dodgers, they can solo your list pretty easily while you get very attack opportunities (which is why Imp-Ace like lists never win anything big despite often defining the meta: you have to hard counter them or you cannot beat them at all).


So, I guess I can understand people hating turrets for violating the core maneuver-bluff aspect of the game, but I think those same players are being huge hypocrites if they do not also similarly hate arc-dodgers for the same reason. Personally, I don't have an issue with either, and I think they all fit into the game's health in their own ways (ideally).

You're overlooking the fact that turrets are arcdodgers

And are often better at arcdodging than Feel because they don't care about facing (or sometimes obstacles) and are often large base so they boost even further

At least arclocked arc dodgers sometimes have to give up shots in order to boost away from attacks. Turrets never have to make this decision

By your own metric, turrets ignore the system twice over

Besides, you can box in an arcdodger, but you simply cannot avoid a turret. This fact was so fundamentally busted that they HAD to release autothrusters for arcdodgers to even matter

So yeah, false equivalency is false

Lets maintain some perspective here...

Tournament balance is currently thrown off by 3 ships that are "Over Stuffed" with to many game mechanics and powerful upgrades ( Nym, Miranda, Jumpmasters )

Turrets are necessary for long term game balance and not the source of all the galaxy's problems.

Primary Weapon Arc ships are widely considered "more" fun by the community and could use a slight boost right now, no doubt about it.

Appreciating the role of turrets in the game and preferring arc-dodgers are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Understanding that turrets by themselves are not the entire problem is the tricky bit.

Sure plenty of people are bothered by the effect these 3 ships have had on the top level tournament play .....but a new movie, a few new ships and a min-FAQ and all will be right with the world.

Until then for imperial players who prefer Arc-dodgers out there ( like myself ) it is critical that you use Imperial Biggs ( Kylo Ren), a support shuttle, RAC, or Alphas against Turret Heavy lists even in a casual setting.

All of those things can still be fun and support that Aces life style very nicely against 1 and 2 green dice.

1 hour ago, ficklegreendice said:

You're overlooking the fact that turrets are arcdodgers

And are often better at arcdodging than Feel because they don't care about facing (or sometimes obstacles) and are often large base so they boost even further

At least arclocked arc dodgers sometimes have to give up shots in order to boost away from attacks. Turrets never have to make this decision

By your own metric, turrets ignore the system twice over

Besides, you can box in an arcdodger, but you simply cannot avoid a turret. This fact was so fundamentally busted that they HAD to release autothrusters for arcdodgers to even matter

So yeah, false equivalency is false

Biased much? Go to any tournament where some home-brewed TO has put together a custom event that bans turrets (heck there was just such a tournament over in Michigan this past weekend at the GT) and you still won't see jousters doing well, you'll just see arc-dodgers cleaning even more house.

A core problem with X-Wing is that jousters cannot beat either turrets or arc-dodgers, and this has basically been true since around about Wave 3, with the brief exception of the short reign of X7s, because what it apparently takes for jousters to be competitive is a big point reduction to the best stat-line coupled with a free Evade every round all resting upon the all-important ability to flip-around with a white K-Turn. Which is a sad sate of affairs for the many, many fighter-classes that are jousters.

Of course, Scum have a Lion's share, because they've got two ships that are both turrets and and high-PS repositioning arc-dodgers in Dengar (who can use his action to BR thanks to things like Expose and/or K4) and Nym.