The "leak" negatively impacted the game

By tangoraven, in X-Wing

20 hours ago, Schu81 said:

No netlist, no cry.

Play your own stuff.

Its really good when FAQs "leak", so the competetive meta has got to come up with more experimental lists, because the OP netlists might get nerfed.

Proper list building ain't magic. My own stuff usually ends up in the top16 at worlds. So stop teasing me. :P

2 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Proper list building ain't magic. My own stuff usually ends up in the top16 at worlds. So stop teasing me. :P

Only because I am not playing there, because of all the boring netlisters :P

Otherwise you'd be 17.

Just now, Schu81 said:

Only because I am not playing there, because of all the boring netlisters :P

Otherwise you'd be 17.

As my lists are usually in the top16 more than once. So nope. :P
Beside, my lists, not myself. I usually end up top16 in my local store championships with the same lists. "Fly Better" is actually magic. :P

43 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

Have you met the community? That's all the reason you need to do it in secret!

Well we've seen how well it works out when they do them in secret. I don't see how they could do a worse job with public testing.

This is the perfect time to try out something that is just- well, stuff. Throw something together and get better at flying the Chassis, not the combo. Or think around corners and build lists that involve overlooked stuff.

Tl;dr: Play now, analyse later.

welcome to the world of "Fake News"....

44 minutes ago, Swedge said:

welcome to the world of "Fake News"....

You mean like... CNN?

It's all rhetoric, our differences in opinion regarding play testing and "insider" circles.

What's not rhetorical or even remotely amusing is the fact that FFG allows this much time and ambiguity with existing, not broken, ships that they didn't properly play test and as a result we have to guess until we get an unofficial email from Frank.

I would say don’t worry about an FAQ because you’ll never know when it’s gonna hit. But when regionals are suppose to start next month and a System Open is next month that we just found out about yesterday and not from FFG, then yeah I’d worry about it. We have no clue what to practice with or what to expect. **** we don’t even know when the days are or if we should ask for days off of work or make travel plans. FFG is a mess right now. I think the leak really hurt the game and I think they are being childish and not releasing it. It’s not a coincidence that this is the longest time between FAQ’s in the game’s history.

ok I must have missed this leaked FAQ where can one see said leak???

just be thankful that Wiz Kids isn't handling it via WORF...

1 hour ago, Schu81 said:

You mean like... America?

Fixed :P

1 hour ago, Tbetts94 said:

I would say don’t worry about an FAQ because you’ll never know when it’s gonna hit. But when regionals are suppose to start next month and a System Open is next month that we just found out about yesterday and not from FFG, then yeah I’d worry about it. We have no clue what to practice with or what to expect. **** we don’t even know when the days are or if we should ask for days off of work or make travel plans. FFG is a mess right now. I think the leak really hurt the game and I think they are being childish and not releasing it. It’s not a coincidence that this is the longest time between FAQ’s in the game’s history.

This.

I would like to get out to these bigger events but they are making it all but impossible. That being said, Southwest is having some baller deals now through Thursday...

Is there a link to this FAQ leak anywhere. I can't find one online.

21 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

Proper list building ain't magic. My own stuff usually ends up in the top16 at worlds. So stop teasing me. :P

I remember building the exact second place list for worlds 2015 (16?) just in a spur of the moment when PGS was like "can't you just play Miranda, Corran, and some APTs now that generics are worthless?" and I argued that a Prototype blocker would provide more value...turns out that made a bit of sense and that list building blocks in X-Wing are pretty simple.

On 10/8/2017 at 4:02 PM, tangoraven said:

This is a gripe.

I'm in a holding pattern for X Wing and was wondering if anyone else felt the same.

The "FAQ leak" indicated potential nerfs to certain builds and indirect boosts to others.

This makes me reluctant to build lists, test builds and practice stuff that may or may not be phased out eventually by a FAQ.

Of course the situation isn't just the leaker's fault. FFG's total lack of response to said leak exacerbated the situation. Even a statement without confirming or denying will be nice.

Building/testing/practicing lists that assumes that the actual FAQ will eventually pan out doesn't work either as even if the leaker was right (and is person of flawless integrity, impeccable judgement and nostradamatic foresight), I have no clue when said FAQ will be released and if it will be altered due to aforesaid leak.

I'm sad to state that my gaming frequency plummeted and I observe that for some others in my local gaming group, that too is happening. We are excited over the new stuff that have been spoiled and probably want to get back into gaming as soon as possible. But we are in a holding pattern.

Gripe over. Sorry.

FAQ leak was a hoax. dont stress about it. it revealed the toxicity in these forums and demonstrated some peoples willingness to lie to seem "in the know", but was otherwise meaningless.

That said the tournament scene (really any tourney scene) is by nature toxic. whenever you rate players by winrate and award prizes it reduces player desire to take risks or experiment. people play the OP bull evety game because it gas a 30% or whatever better winrate, and eventually its just jumpmasters vs jumpmaster leapfrogging eachother, autodamage, etc, with little variation.

as someone who played MTG since 1993, i can comfortably say going to tournaments is the best way to make a game work instead of fun. I'd rather lose to my brothers 150 points of z95 swarm in a custom game than win with jumpmasters. more fun

33 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

FAQ leak was a hoax. dont stress about it. it revealed the toxicity in these forums and demonstrated some peoples willingness to lie to seem "in the know", but was otherwise meaningless.

How do you explain that the wording in the leaked changes to Advanced Slam seems to line up with the Gunship preview (you can see the side of the updated Adv. Slam card that will be in the set). If the FAQ leak was a hoax, how did they guess correctly that Adv. Slam was going to be changed?

Quote from the FAQ Leak: "Advanced Slam: now becomes action bar only. "

Original Adv. Slam: (5 lines of text)

star-wars-x-wing-miniatures-game-card-ad

Picture of the preview for gunship:

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Notice in this picture, Adv. Slam now has 6 lines of text. Seems to me that they are correct, or else it's a HUGE coincidence.

On 10/9/2017 at 0:43 PM, HolySorcerer said:

There is no good reason for FFG to playtest a balance patch in secret, it should all be done in the open to allow for the whole community to provide feedback.

Well they sort of do. I know the x/7 title was almost a verbatim ripoff from a suggestion on here. I think the starviper title is to.

Just now, FlyingAnchors said:

Well they sort of do. I know the x/7 title was almost a verbatim ripoff from a suggestion on here. I think the starviper title is to.

Ripoff or leak?

5 hours ago, Pooleman said:

Is there a link to this FAQ leak anywhere. I can't find one online.

6 hours ago, Ghostrider58 said:

ok I must have missed this leaked FAQ where can one see said leak???

https://www.reddit.com/r/XWingTMG/comments/6pwctu/xwing_faq_leak/

Here you go

5 hours ago, Pooleman said:

Is there a link to this FAQ leak anywhere. I can't find one online.

6 hours ago, Ghostrider58 said:

ok I must have missed this leaked FAQ where can one see said leak???

https://www.reddit.com/r/XWingTMG/comments/6pwctu/xwing_faq_leak/

Here you go

On 10/8/2017 at 3:02 PM, tangoraven said:

This is a gripe.

I'm in a holding pattern for X Wing and was wondering if anyone else felt the same.

The "FAQ leak" indicated potential nerfs to certain builds and indirect boosts to others.

This makes me reluctant to build lists, test builds and practice stuff that may or may not be phased out eventually by a FAQ.

Of course the situation isn't just the leaker's fault. FFG's total lack of response to said leak exacerbated the situation. Even a statement without confirming or denying will be nice.

Building/testing/practicing lists that assumes that the actual FAQ will eventually pan out doesn't work either as even if the leaker was right (and is person of flawless integrity, impeccable judgement and nostradamatic foresight), I have no clue when said FAQ will be released and if it will be altered due to aforesaid leak.

I'm sad to state that my gaming frequency plummeted and I observe that for some others in my local gaming group, that too is happening. We are excited over the new stuff that have been spoiled and probably want to get back into gaming as soon as possible. But we are in a holding pattern.

Gripe over. Sorry.

I mean there is always another FAQ coming, and its always gonna nerf certain builds and indirect boosts to others so...

I guess this one has more reality, but in the end if you don't know if its true or when it releases how is it any different than just assuming a meta list is gonna get FAQ'd next?

I still maintain that companies "leak" rumors on Buffs or Nerfs and Judge the reaction of the communities as a measure of "is this too far or not far enough?" or at least its what I would do with the anonymity of the internet and everyone's impulsive need to debate everything

2 hours ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

Ripoff or leak?

Ripoff. The guy that made it has made all sorts of custom expansion ideas for all kinds of stuff, including b-wing, t-65, scum Falcon etc. those two just happened to end up in game. I think his original idea for the x/7 was -3 points and the free evade token if you weren't stressed. There's a forum post about it somewhere.

3 hours ago, Favoritism Flight Games said:

How do you explain that the wording in the leaked changes to Advanced Slam seems to line up with the Gunship preview (you can see the side of the updated Adv. Slam card that will be in the set). If the FAQ leak was a hoax, how did they guess correctly that Adv. Slam was going to be changed?

Quote from the FAQ Leak: "Advanced Slam: now becomes action bar only. "

Original Adv. Slam: (5 lines of text)

star-wars-x-wing-miniatures-game-card-ad

Picture of the preview for gunship:

650x650_9797b05ead32fdde7fcd63426534d990

Notice in this picture, Adv. Slam now has 6 lines of text. Seems to me that they are correct, or else it's a HUGE coincidence.

every single person on this board thinks that adv slam, jumps, attani, sabine, nym, integrated astro, etc are likely candidates for a fix. if someone was able to correctly guess 1 of the fixes (the most obvious btw) then good for them. a stopped clock is right twice a day. the wording and changes on the jump that the leak claimed were obviously not FFG for multiple reasons. the faq is also 2 months late according to the leaker who claimed gen con was the release. also, the leaker showed 0 proof, not a single piece of evidence. it doesnt take a lot to piece together that its fake. in fact, unless it is verified in totality, its proven fake, and everyone claiming to be in the know is a liar. thats how facts work. there are 4 lights god dammit!