The "leak" negatively impacted the game

By tangoraven, in X-Wing

It is highly frustrating but you've to continue playing.. Chances of your entire list or play style getting nerfed are low (unless you play Triple Scouts, at which point, you deserve it).

You've got take the SLAM FAQ as fact given the card's image in the Gunboat's preview. So don't invest too much in bombing Miranda as we know her.

If the Jump loses a Torp slot (even with the FAQ'd title) Dengar may take a big hit..

Either way, if you're invested in the game long-term, there's your answer - if you're not.. there's your answer.

1 hour ago, ABXY said:

The existence of supply does not prove the existence of demand.

;)

True but the tone of some of those sure sounded demanding.

33 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

I'm gonna have to disagree on this one. The game is in an unbalanced state currently, so a peak behind the curtain to see a possibility of future attempts to bring the game back into balance can actually be a comforting thing. The last FAQ left a bad taste in my mouth, so seeing them actually try to continue to improve things is good in my book.

Nothing wrong with wanting more information about the design process, however it only showed a snapshot of what goes on in the design process. I can't believe any game company would make 1 fix change, try it, and say "yep, that's good." There's got to be at least 4-5 different versions of the same idea to fix "X". the problem with the leak is that people assume that was the final iteration, when it very well may not have been, on top of the fact it might just be a fake.

I could speculate all day on why that is the case, but I'll leave it at "no news = work in progress".

47 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

seeing them actually try to continue to improve things is good

...if they actually did author the FAQ. After so many fake 40k leaks over the years my skepticism runs high.

Truthfully all I want in a TLT nerf and no EPT for Nym (really just make bomblet generator also take either a system or EPT slot too).

42 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

It is highly frustrating but you've to continue playing.. Chances of your entire list or play style getting nerfed are low (unless you play Triple Scouts, at which point, you deserve it).

You've got take the SLAM FAQ as fact given the card's image in the Gunboat's preview. So don't invest too much in bombing Miranda as we know her.

If the Jump loses a Torp slot (even with the FAQ'd title) Dengar may take a big hit..

Either way, if you're invested in the game long-term, there's your answer - if you're not.. there's your answer.

Even if the FAQ were to drop, you'd still get benefit out of both ships, The K-wing still has extra muntions/ TLT, and the jumpmaster still has attani and dengar crew. There's literally no reason not to pick up the two ships regardless of whether or not some reddit leak is true or not.

And while I don't believe it's happened yet, It is possible that the Slam in the gunboat preview article could have gone through more changes since that post of two month's ago. When we get another article on the gunboat showing the same thing then it might be credible.

when in doubt play epic

IMO, the FAQ leak has affected the game positively in at least 2 ways, or at least that's my hope:

- FFG seems to have given up on dropping FAQs in the middle of competitive season and/or 2 weeks before major events

- FFG and/or the playtesters themselves will hopefully 'tighten the leash' with the whole process, so the 'playtesters & friends' inner circle that seems to exists behind the scenes won't get an accurate picture of upcoming meta months before everyone else.

18 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Nothing wrong with wanting more information about the design process, however it only showed a snapshot of what goes on in the design process. I can't believe any game company would make 1 fix change, try it, and say "yep, that's good." There's got to be at least 4-5 different versions of the same idea to fix "X". the problem with the leak is that people assume that was the final iteration, when it very well may not have been, on top of the fact it might just be a fake.

I could speculate all day on why that is the case, but I'll leave it at "no news = work in progress".

Even if it was just a snapshot of a work in progress (which does make a lot of sense), it still shows that they are looking at these things. This leak indicated to me that they were finally ready to do something drastic to the Jumpmaster, something I think most of us can get behind (though the details of that drastic measure can vary). I've seen the effects of SLAMing bombers on Aces, so knowing that FFG is potentially looking into solving that problem is a comfort, even if the solution I've seen isn't the one they go with for whatever reason (though that does appear to be what they went with, going by the Gunboat fan).

While I agree with the whole "no news = work in progress", being able to see that work is happening can do a lot to calm anxiety.

24 minutes ago, Lobokai said:

...if they actually did author the FAQ. After so many fake 40k leaks over the years my skepticism runs high.

Truthfully all I want in a TLT nerf and no EPT for Nym (really just make bomblet generator also take either a system or EPT slot too).

True, there is no absolute confirmation, but there is suggestive evidence like the gunboat's card fan. Even if it turns out false, it at least got us thinking.

While you have your list of things you want to see nerfed, I and several of my friends actually quite like the look of the "leaked" nerf. I will mourn Mindlink as I do enjoy flying with it, but if this is truly about bringing balance, then I'll accept it getting the axe.

13 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

I will mourn Mindlink as I do enjoy flying with it, but if this is truly about bringing balance, then I'll accept it getting the axe.

IMO, given FFGs typical development times, the leaked FAQ was about bringing balance to last year's meta.

You got a slight nerf to one of Rebels' competitive options (Wardens are already dead, Miranda can run EI as a slightly worse option), and 2 major nerfs to Scum's triple Jumpmasters, leaving most likely only Dengar Nym as a meaningful top meta squad for Scum. If this were to drop now, wouldn't it simply entrench Rebels as the top dog?

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3 minutes ago, LordBlades said:

IMO, given FFGs typical development times, the leaked FAQ was about bringing balance to last year's meta.

You got a slight nerf to one of Rebels' competitive options (Wardens are already dead, Miranda can run EI as a slightly worse option), and 2 major nerfs to Scum's triple Jumpmasters, leaving most likely only Dengar Nym as a meaningful top meta squad for Scum. If this were to drop now, wouldn't it simply entrench Rebels as the top dog?

Most likely, yes. But the other option is to make no progress, which will make the last big FAQ worthless in my eyes. So, either we need to keep moving forward, or some things need to be repealed.

There is a hope that this theorized delay in release could translate to new entries being added. This might indeed be a vain hope, but it is still something to consider.

I wouldn't worry about the next FAQ. The chances are that the nerfs will be softer in nature than the great FAQ'ing last time. I'm anticipating (hoping for...) buffs to older ships rather than nerfs come 2018.

17 hours ago, tangoraven said:

Of course the situation isn't just the leaker's fault. FFG's total lack of response to said leak exacerbated the situation. Even a statement without confirming or denying will be nice.

It was the only correct move available to FFG. The situation was a Catch 22.

- Denying the leak opens FFG up to accusations of hypocrisy if they were to eventually address anything that was in it, and/or ruins their relationship with the player and playtesting communities.

- Confirming the leak gives legitimacy to people breaking legal agreements, and opens FFG up to recriminations from Lucasfilm/Disney.

I thought I had some good info on what the rest of FAQ 4.3.2 was to be back in January, but alas, it has never been issued; so, it matters not. As long as you plan your lists around turrets and bombs, you're fine: keep planning @tangoraven.

Here are some rules of thumb in the current imbalanced meta:

Ships need top have at least 40 SP and 10 health, with Regen if you can get it.

Ships that use a 80 degree firing arc are out, forget them.

Ships that use turrets are in, turrets are mandatory.

Ships that use bombs are in (as long as they are Rebel and Scum) as Wave 13 doubles down on it.

10 hours ago, SabineKey said:

Most likely, yes. But the other option is to make no progress, which will make the last big FAQ worthless in my eyes. So, either we need to keep moving forward, or some things need to be repealed.

There is a hope that this theorized delay in release could translate to new entries being added. This might indeed be a vain hope, but it is still something to consider.

Agreed. The FAQ that was spoiled was not complete and there were numerous other issues that needed to be addressed.

FFG won't address them, but it's nice to hope.

Or you could just play some games with like minded people and not worry about FAQ's until they are confirmed?

As for the leaker, I don't hold much respect for those who can't honour their agreements...

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17 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

(...)And if your concerns are for potential meta shifts... with G4H, Wave 12 and Wave 13 we'll probably see several changes in a short time frame.

Poor Khiraxzes and Starvipers. With G4H delayed, and the fast upcoming TJA ships and wave 12 (Gunbloat), they probably won't have enough time available to really shine.

@TylerTT "when in doubt play Epic"

Thumbs up for this one, but I am actually a bit worried about the new hypereffective missiles, the "smaller" Epics like Gr75, C-Roc and Goz will suffer.

3 minutes ago, Rat of Vengence said:

Or you could just play some games with like minded people and not worry about FAQ's until they are confirmed?

As for the leaker, I don't hold much respect for those who can't honour their agreements...

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Well the leaker wasn't NDA.

Just now, Stay On The Leader said:

Well the leaker wasn't NDA.

It would appear he wasn't right either. At least, not anymore lol.

NDA or not, there's always someone who has to spoil things for others.

I'm still in the camp that this has helped the game overall. Hopefully FFG bollocked all the playtesters who have been flouting their NDAs to get a competitive advantage for major events. It would lead to a more level playing field.

50 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

I'm still in the camp that this has helped the game overall. Hopefully FFG bollocked all the playtesters who have been flouting their NDAs to get a competitive advantage for major events. It would lead to a more level playing field.

How does a playtester flout an NDA to get themselves a competitive advantage?

3 minutes ago, jesper_h said:

How does a playtester flout an NDA to get themselves a competitive advantage?

By forming a playtest group with friends who are not NDAed, sharing what they know to give them and their friends a head start.

9 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

By forming a playtest group with friends who are not NDAed, sharing what they know to give them and their friends a head start.

Sure. That's a problem which needs to stop. It's debatable how much of a head start that would give people in reality, though. The "playtester vs competitive advantage" argument has been had before, and likely will be had again and again.

There is no good reason for FFG to playtest a balance patch in secret, it should all be done in the open to allow for the whole community to provide feedback.

29 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

There is no good reason for FFG to playtest a balance patch in secret, it should all be done in the open to allow for the whole community to provide feedback.

Have you met the community? That's all the reason you need to do it in secret!

All legal requirements with Lucas/Disney aside, my ideal scenario is a scheduled release of the FAQ, even if there are no new updates.
Frequency tbd. May seem aggressive but considering FFG still publishes expacs with mechanics that are open to interpretation warrants a regularly released FAQing.