39 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

What @Cerve said. If you evade all damage, brilliant, you're doing well. If you successfully arc dodge your opponent, brilliant, you're doing well. If you do find yourself taking damage, however, you can then slap ISYTDS on them.

Really, the ability potentially makes Kylo king of the endgame arc dodgers. Think about how difficult it can be to successfully catch a PtL Soontir in arc. Now imagine managing to catch him in arc, only for it to not matter because a Blinded Pilot crit was pushed through your shields.

And you know what? Maybe the one who will hit you is a PS9-10.

But he will not kill you, alone, because of 3hull and 3shields.

And that means you will put the condition on this PS9-10.

Get him a crit, and you have...well....SILENCED your first enemy.

Think about an AB/TLT Nym, a Dengar...6 hp is what makes Kylo brilliant. Because he can survive at one attack, and you will be able to drop your nemesi at PS0. At that point: good luck to catch Kylo again.

The matter is: pair him with who? Some one who is able to put a lot of crits. Chiraneau? And take him just for damages (no Kylo crew). You have a free crew spot, which one?

15 minutes ago, Cerve said:

And you know what? Maybe the one who will hit you is a PS9-10.

But he will not kill you, alone, because of 3hull and 3shields.

And that means you will put the condition on this PS9-10.

Get him a crit, and you have...well....SILENCED your first enemy.

Think about an AB/TLT Nym, a Dengar...6 hp is what makes Kylo brilliant. Because he can survive at one attack, and you will be able to drop your nemesi at PS0. At that point: good luck to catch Kylo again.

The matter is: pair him with who? Some one who is able to put a lot of crits. Chiraneau? And take him just for damages (no Kylo crew). You have a free crew spot, which one?

Probably the 0 cost Empty Crew Slot card, given how expensive Kylo is.

On 10/8/2017 at 11:04 PM, SabineKey said:

Who has been needing help for a long time now, minus certain Corran builds. I'm kind of okay with the Silencer being more powerful than an overpriced ship in need of a title.

Part of my never ending quest to get an E-Wing fix. But the Silencer is very comparable stats wise.

I’m glad he’s got some points in him. A durable Soontir point fortress? Yes please. I’m gonna build him to never get hit.

I really like the idea of 2 Alpha strike Star Wings and a Silencer

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

Probably the 0 cost Empty Crew Slot card, given how expensive Kylo is.

Maybe. Is he 45?

Just now, Cerve said:

Maybe. Is he 45?

About that, depending on build

9 hours ago, Cerve said:

Maybe. Is he 45?

Thereabouts. My typical build is 46 and a shake of my head and despair because lol 46 points for a ship with one arc, no way to get evades, and no regen.

Intensity says hi. I think that this is a great ship as is and I’m hoping the reports that it can pull evades off obstacles is correct. This bad boy with 2 evades and autothrusters could be a bear to bring down.

Just now, Lobokai said:

Intensity says hi. I think that this is a great ship as is and I’m hoping the reports that it can pull evades off obstacles is correct. This bad boy with 2 evades and autothrusters could be a bear to bring down.

Only being able to get a single token in a round and not reliably being able to hold on to it makes intensity VERY questionable. Once you flip it once, it only takes a tiny bit of focus fire and/or bad luck to never be able to flip it back again. Heck I've had trouble getting it flipped back on Vader in the past, and he CAN take 2 actions every round.

Ditto spending your EPT to be able to get evade tokens, but not being able to take any other actions if you want them.

Possibly Debris Hugger EPT plus Advanced Optics (the new tech that's probably basically focus-based Comm Relay) plus ATs might work, but lord is that likely to be expensive.

2 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Thereabouts. My typical build is 46 and a shake of my head and despair because lol 46 points for a ship with one arc, no way to get evades, and no regen.

I've been beating on meta lists with a 51 point TIE/D that has a one arc, no evades, no regen, and no Autothrusters. The defense of this ship ought to be sufficient in the right sort of list.

52 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

I've been beating on meta lists with a 51 point TIE/D that has a one arc, no evades, no regen, and no Autothrusters. The defense of this ship ought to be sufficient in the right sort of list.

Have you been doing it against pilots of equal skill to you though?

See I am ok with him being about 45 points, roughly the same cost as buzzsaw whisper. Yes he is expensive but he is also small base which means he is a point fortress. I am ok with that. Like I said before for Soontir to have the same build you are looking at 50+ points.

I think this will be fun.

3 hours ago, Biophysical said:

I've been beating on meta lists with a 51 point TIE/D that has a one arc, no evades, no regen, and no Autothrusters. The defense of this ship ought to be sufficient in the right sort of list.

51 points? Is it Rexler?

3 hours ago, Biophysical said:

I've been beating on meta lists with a 51 point TIE/D that has a one arc, no evades, no regen, and no Autothrusters. The defense of this ship ought to be sufficient in the right sort of list.

Let's face it though @Biophysical , not everyone's as renowned a Defender pilot as you are. You were crushing your enemies with them long before the dark times, before x7.

Ahhhhh Rexler and HLC.. and three Ties stripping down the target’s defenses for him to deal the finishing blow.

those were the good times. Before the power creep, before... the jumpmaster.

3 hours ago, Biophysical said:

I've been beating on meta lists with a 51 point TIE/D that has a one arc, no evades, no regen, and no Autothrusters. The defense of this ship ought to be sufficient in the right sort of list.

Yes but not everyone is Biophysical. Also TIE/Ds at least get to shoot twice a round.

Anyway Kylo is clearly an amazing ship, the question is whether he can hang with the other top tier meta stuff. Is he the second coming of Soontir? Or is he just another 51 pt TIE/D who will sometimes maybe do well in the hands of an excellent pilot?

Biggest issue is still Nym. Nym can kill Kylo via Bomblets, without ever having to actually shoot him and trigger the ability. I think if Nym ever disappears, Kylo will end up being a true force to be reckoned with.

17 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Let's face it though @Biophysical , not everyone's as renowned a Defender pilot as you are. You were crushing your enemies with them long before the dark times, before x7.

Hold my beer. I’ve slaughtered pretty much everything with Rexler, two black squadron and howlie.

4 minutes ago, Arma Quattro said:

Hold my beer. I’ve slaughtered pretty much everything with Rexler, two black squadron and howlie.

That sounds like a challenge to me @Biophysical - do we need to set up a "King Of Defenders" tournament?

Just now, FTS Gecko said:

That sounds like a challenge to me @Biophysical - do we need to set up a "Queen Of Defenders" tournament?

Yes. And it's Ryad.

1 hour ago, smccaughan said:

I think this will be fun.

Kylo Ren (TIE Silencer) — TIE Silencer	35
Push the Limit	3
Advanced Sensors	3
Autothrusters	2
First Order Vanguard	2
Ship Total: 45
Soontir Fel — TIE Interceptor	27
Push the Limit	3
Autothrusters	2
Targeting Computer	2
Royal Guard TIE	0
Ship Total: 34
"Zeta Leader" — TIE/fo Fighter	20
Veteran Instincts	1
Ship Total: 21

unless the bomb meta dissipates, expect not to have Soontir by round 2 of many top tier fights.

14 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

unless the bomb meta dissipates, expect not to have Soontir by round 2 of many top tier fights.

true still might be fun in a casual situation

3 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Have you been doing it against pilots of equal skill to you though?

Some yes, some no. TIE/Ds are really good against Nym, and I've been seeing a lot of Nym.

51 minutes ago, Goseki1 said:

51 points? Is it Rexler?

It is, pretty maxed out because I had the points for it, you could do a similar thing with a good chunk fewer points.

A TIE/D brings a ton of utility right now for any player. Their main weakness is Dengar, as you've got a short clock agaisnt him. Manageable with the right friends.

16 hours ago, Lobokai said:

I’m glad he’s got some points in him. A durable Soontir point fortress? Yes please. I’m gonna build him to never get hit.

I really like the idea of 2 Alpha strike Star Wings and a Silencer

A fortress without the evade action? Oh yeah you can take intensity... but you are left at ps9...

3 minutes ago, Thormind said:

A fortress without the evade action? Oh yeah you can take intensity... but you are left at ps9...

Some are reporting that the Silencer can generate evades by being near obstacles... if you can, maybe VI stays on the common build then