8 hours ago, Jadotch said:

It is overpowered compared to the E-Wing.

This.

It is overpowered compared to every E Wing apart from Corran. Probably. Corran will be about on par I would expect.

Corran is better - he has access to regen and a MUCH better pilot ability.

But at ps8 vs 9 will he ever get a shot? One on one it's probably a stalemate that corran wins on points but isytds gives Kylo a solid chance to ignore the regen. Considering their places in lists for their respective factions corran has way more good options.

3 hours ago, LordBlades said:

You mean the same modification slot she was losing for Adv. SLAM?

While EI gives you a stress and it's 1 extra point, it does allow you to drop mines if you bump or overlap asteroids, so it's not all strictly worse.

There's someone that likes you?

I'm fine if she got stressed with her ugly dial.

I think two things are overlooked in the comparisons with Corran and Poe, where Kylo comes out ahead:

With Corran - the difference between PS8 and PS9 is not negligible, it's huge. PS9 puts you on par with other aces (VI aside) and lets you bid for the all-important move second. I almost never fly PS8 "aces" any more because they get out-PSed way too easily. PLUS, you have to add in that Corran is generally stuck on green moves and doesn't have hard greens, Kylo is going to end up being much, much more slippery.

With POE, again not having a hard green move is significant. The whole BB-8 barrel roll trick can be awesome, but its predictable in the extreme in a way that Kylo isn't. Again, the flying and arc dodging options are WAY better on the Silencer. Corran's regen probably has the edge over autothrusters.

That's not to say the other two don't have their advantages - more specifically they have much better pilot abilities. But Kylo's ability isn't totally useless either - he'll be hard to get a hit on, and when you DO get that hit, you're going to really feel the pain in return.

I like Kylo Ren as a jouster, I don't like him as an 'ace'.

@Boom Owl had a decent stab at it, I think. I'd want to keep Kylo under 40pts.

VI FCS Autothrusters for 40?

Fits with RAC VI Palp Engine with a point to spare.

But wouldn't QD be just better? If you're not taking advantage of the green turns, I'm not sure it's worth bringing the Silencer.

E: I mean for the same price you can have QD with VI FCS Frame title, but he gets a Harpoon Missile into the bargain. And buttguns.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

But wouldn't QD be just better? If you're not taking advantage of the green turns, I'm not sure it's worth bringing the Silencer.

Both have abilities which proc when hit, but Kylo will quite simply survive longer than Quickdraw, and be harder to pin down.

But QD frontloads damage a LOT more.

Because what do you fill the last 20 points with?

Sounds like you're overloading QD, I'd expect to be able to fit QD/Kylo/OL in a squad. Or maybe Kylo/Vess/OL.

Unless the Silencer has an insanely good dial, I fear for the Worst. It is too expensive for what it delivers so far.

1 like for "buttguns".

Yea, Kylo will be meta-defining, like Ryad before him, and Fel before her, and Whisper before him.

1 hour ago, Jo Jo said:

This sums things up better than any post so far.

It seems underappreciated, but I see my bombs being happy!

Of course it's OP.

That's what the devs want

My question is: is it just as good without AS?

5 hours ago, Cerve said:

There's someone that likes you?

I'm fine if she got stressed with her ugly dial.

It's good that you're fine. Miranda is also fine post Adv. SLAM nerf

4 hours ago, Stay On The Leader said:

Sounds like you're overloading QD, I'd expect to be able to fit QD/Kylo/OL in a squad. Or maybe Kylo/Vess/OL.

Yeah. It totally fits, with the option to drop to a cheaper FO to free up a few points on the big guys if you want. It probably the first thing I'll try with him. Quickdraw is terrific, and that Kylo build is 6 points more for Quickdraw, a worse ability, but real AGI3, Autothrusters, Boost, and almost certainly a better dial. Seems like a solid 6 points.

On 10/8/2017 at 0:55 PM, Cerve said:

Actually, it is amazing.

If he is evading all of the hits, then how is he going to assign the condition? The ability was only good on the Upsilon because it was a low agility, high health ship.

11 minutes ago, Rogue_Group1 said:

If he is evading all of the hits, then how is he going to assign the condition? The ability was only good on the Upsilon because it was a low agility, high health ship.

That's the point. It's a contingency. "If I take damage, they'll get PS 0, so don't shoot at me." That's why it will be nasty against TLT PS 10 Nym.

6 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

That's the point. It's a contingency. "If I take damage, they'll get PS 0, so don't shoot at me." That's why it will be nasty against TLT PS 10 Nym.

but it's still only good on low ag high hp ships