When I look at the spawling activity in the L5R forums, here it feels sometimes deserted.

Personally I think it is a missed opportunity not to apply their generic house system to the L5R RPG but so be it, their descision, a path I will not follow.

What I am now a little concerned is, how serious will FFG take their own house system? Will it stay a niche system for a small group of oddballs or will it be seriously utilized for future RPG settings? I have to think of Fantasy AGE, the house system of Green Ronin, which is very much neglected by its own company. I just hope FFG will handle their generic house system with more enthusiasm.

Keep up the hype!

ITS easy for L5R peeps to get all hyped and such since their game is, y’know, out in PDF—even if it isn’t just the beta rules.

We here in the Genesys forum don’t have a complete game. Heck, we don’t even have that many teaser articles to discuss. I hope that once the book launches, this forum will explode.

This place will be a riot once the core book drops. I'm keen!

18 minutes ago, Richardbuxton said:

This place will be a riot once the core book drops. I'm keen!

I hope.

55 minutes ago, DarthDude said:

When I look at the spawling activity in the L5R forums, here it feels sometimes deserted.

Personally I think it is a missed opportunity not to apply their generic house system to the L5R RPG but so be it, their descision, a path I will not follow.

What I am now a little concerned is, how serious will FFG take their own house system? Will it stay a niche system for a small group of oddballs or will it be seriously utilized for future RPG settings? I have to think of Fantasy AGE, the house system of Green Ronin, which is very much neglected by its own company. I just hope FFG will handle their generic house system with more enthusiasm.

Keep up the hype!

Well, if they miss the train, the fans certainly won't. We already have cool books even before the Genesys... who really want, will do material and adaptations. They can't stop this. We all want to play RPG in cool scenarios but with a better system. And they know they have in hands a good system. We also deserve good scenarios. They can do it, or wait to see us creating it.

Of course they won't give us "Dungeons ¨¨& Dragons Genesys", "Cyberpunk 2049 Genesys", "Lord of the Rings Genesys". They can't. But they know genesys fans like much more than Star Wars. Well, FFG can try to buy some licenses... but they can create a new RPG, idk maybe a post-apoc high fantasy with steam and gunpowder. A nice way to use a lot the system looking for new fantasy world.

There's only so much discussion to be had about a product that hasn't been released yet. I'm not concerned in the least. Once the core drops the activity here will pick up.

Yeah, I wouldn't read too much into it. L5R's got a product to test. The most happenin' place in the Star Wars forums were always the beta forums.

Once we've actually got something to talk about, rather than the scraps of information we get from articles released to us on a whim, this place will get busy.

Hey guys, I’m new to the forum but like the bones enough to be planning to convert three campaigns into Genesys. I’m sure as soon as it becomes available it’ll spark up. I’m used to a more granular system but the flexibility I’ve seen in friends SW campaign makes me think I can have my cake and eat it too with a narrative platform that can have detail added when it’s needed...

And not only does L5R have a product, they have a product line .

L5R has a twenty year fan base with four prior editions and card games and board games.

Genesys has the question "wouldn't it be cool to play Star Wars without the IP?"

On 10/7/2017 at 4:13 PM, CitizenKeen said:

And not only does L5R have a product, they have a product line .

L5R has a twenty year fan base with four prior editions and card games and board games.

Genesys has the question "wouldn't it be cool to play Star Wars without the IP?"

This is why it would have been a smart move to make L5R a Genesys game. The fan base is already there. It would have given Genesys a huge shot in the arm. Time will tell but so far Genesys is the red headed step-child.

What kind of response are you expecting for an RPG that has no rules avaliable and not even a substantial amount of information?

Plenty of people are excited for Genesys, but there's not a lot to talk about at the moment.

18 minutes ago, TrainedMunkey said:

This is why it would have been a smart move to make L5R a Genesys game. The fan base is already there. It would have given Genesys a huge shot in the arm. Time will tell but so far Genesys is the red headed step-child.

It would have been hard to release the sourcebook for a game that hadn't been released yet, and if included the core rules in it, then why buy Genesys. I can understand the decision made.

Genesys isn't a game engine that has other RPGs with the same core rules in it - it's a universal game with all the rules in that book, and supplements will be settings and support .

16 minutes ago, Lordmhoram said:

It would have been hard to release the sourcebook for a game that hadn't been released yet, and if included the core rules in it, then why buy Genesys. I can understand the decision made.

Genesys isn't a game engine that has other RPGs with the same core rules in it - it's a universal game with all the rules in that book, and supplements will be settings and support .

L5R is in beta. It has not been released.

It's very common in the industry to require a core book to play a setting.

1 hour ago, TrainedMunkey said:

L5R is in beta. It has not been released.

It's very common in the industry to require a core book to play a setting.

I know it is common to require a core book to play a setting. As for Beta, I don't know how long Beta lasts for FFG games.

What I was getting at - if L5R was a Genesys support book, you can't beta test it without having the actual game system to use for it (which isn't out yet), and they likely wouldn't want to include those rules in a beta test of setting. And if they released L5R with the Genesys core rules, then people might not buy Genesys, or if they buy both they'd be paying for the system twice, once for Genesys and once for L5R.

That is why I can easily understand L5R not being Genesys (that and the history of the previous versions of the game).

On 10/7/2017 at 1:13 PM, CitizenKeen said:

And not only does L5R have a product, they have a product line .

L5R has a twenty year fan base with four prior editions and card games and board games.

Genesys has the question "wouldn't it be cool to play Star Wars without the IP?"

Don't forget the miniatures game (I think I still have the skeleton of at least most armies... lol.) I went in hard for first edition. Most of that is gathering dust now. (I also have the few 2e books before they started linking with the D20 system/D&D stuff).

I have a really good feeling about this system. I think that their Rune Bound setting has a great potential to take a chunk out of the Fantasy RPG market share. I loved the look and feel of it when I played at GenCon.

I also think the 'jury is still out' on how popular L5R 5e will be.

5 hours ago, Lordmhoram said:

I know it is common to require a core book to play a setting. As for Beta, I don't know how long Beta lasts for FFG games.

What I was getting at - if L5R was a Genesys support book, you can't beta test it without having the actual game system to use for it (which isn't out yet), and they likely wouldn't want to include those rules in a beta test of setting. And if they released L5R with the Genesys core rules, then people might not buy Genesys, or if they buy both they'd be paying for the system twice, once for Genesys and once for L5R.

That is why I can easily understand L5R not being Genesys (that and the history of the previous versions of the game).

My apologies I misunderstood your statement.

Apparently they have been developing both systems in tandem. What I can gather with Google Fu from the two main developers web presence. Being that one of the main developers appears to be a huge 4th edition fan, I am guessing that they wanted to go with a system tailored to the setting. From what I can tell the d20 version did not go over well? I have some of the books never played it. I just have issue with splitting your fan base.

On ‎8‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 0:20 AM, kaosoe said:

There's only so much discussion to be had about a product that hasn't been released yet. I'm not concerned in the least. Once the core drops the activity here will pick up.

and where there have been 2 articles, one of which covers old ground (Star Wars mechanics/social checks)

I don't remember seeing anything but is there any word on Genesys getting a beta? It would be nice to run through something prior to release.

7 minutes ago, Popdart said:

I don't remember seeing anything but is there any word on Genesys getting a beta? It would be nice to run through something prior to release.

As Genesys is already in print, there will be no open beta like in L5R. Beta had been a closed thing. Hopefully the playtesters did a good job.

Generic rules systems without settings rarely get much hype because mechanics alone are boring conversation matter. You talk about mechanics when you have to, but you often talk about setting because you want to. If FFG doesn't put out quality settings very quickly, this will be a dud.

1 hour ago, HappyDaze said:

Generic rules systems without settings rarely get much hype because mechanics alone are boring conversation matter. You talk about mechanics when you have to, but you often talk about setting because you want to. If FFG doesn't put out quality settings very quickly, this will be a dud.

Unless you search for mechanics for homebrew settings like Mass Effect, The Expanse, The Magicians, Power Rangers, Lego Ningjago,... . In that case I am giddy with excitement for generic rules. Settings would be just a bonus to me but the the real meat will be a very adaptable generic system.

I particularly like to talk about rules/mechanics also, cause the game design is a thing that attracts me. Like D&D for me in the past months, I have little to nothing to say about the setting, cause my players aren't the kind who like to explore the world. And what's making me sad with the system are purely mechanical aspects that stifle some ideas... in Genesys things flow better. Everything matter. The dices used, the range of difficulties, the level of power, the progression, how to create enemies...

Star Wars is an extremely popular game. They need to leverage that. I don't see that happening. The Genesys rules are due out before Christmas.

They probably can't leverage it much. I doubt Disney would look too kindly on FFG using the Star Wars license to boost unaffiliated products.

As far as "keeping up the hype" goes, if the book is at the printers, there's no lack of detail stopping FFG from putting out as many previews as they want. They could do genre focuses, career/specialization focuses (confirming, for instance, that there ARE such focuses and that they have trees that work like they do in Star Wars), previews of magic or even an indicator if genre drives any magic mechanics (e.g. spells might be more self-destructive in the horror genre).

Paizo started putting out preview articles many weeks before Starfinder, and by the time it arrived people were positively rabid for the game because they knew pretty well what to expect and at what level of detail. I realize it was a specific genre and a specific setting, and not a generic toolkit, but with such an abundance of new systems arriving, FFG needs to try as hard as possible to convince us that we should wait for a generic engine (ostensibly one we can shape to a setting ourselves) instead of jumping aboard one of the many systems already fleshed out by the details of a world/universe.

I say that last part very much out of self-interest. My group is deciding on a space opera setting (that's NOT Star Wars) and Starfinder is the front-runner. We liked Edge of Empires and would love to reskin Starfinder using Genesys if that's even possible in a timely fashion. The alternative is just move forward with Starfinder (or with the ironically named Esper Genesis that's also coming soon).