Can we please get back to the real issue that affects us all on a deeper level, that participants at Worlds get a generic beanie, playmat, and a single dragon card?!

I'd submit that a page and a half of discussion on the topic means thats more of a matter of interest than the expected poor prize support compared to AEG going overboard for years.

1 hour ago, McDermott said:

I'd submit that a page and a half of discussion on the topic means thats more of a matter of interest than the expected poor prize support compared to AEG going overboard for years.

This is more prize support than I've seen FFG do ever, and I love the idea of having a prize wall to get more from!

On the chant: My issue was when I talked to a friend of mine who married a Chinese woman.. and would feel very uncomfortable bringing his son to the game. That's when I decided I wouldn't do the chant locally.

14 minutes ago, Athenor said:

On the chant: My issue was when I talked to a friend of mine who married a Chinese woman.. and would feel very uncomfortable bringing his son to the game. That's when I decided I wouldn't do the chant locally.

Yeah, better to just ditch it entirely though. Seriously translate that into german then yell it out loud a few times.

6 hours ago, Starbane said:

Umm, this probably isn’t as important as debating the dropping of the banzai chant, but does anybody know what a modified win is or can point me in the right direction to find out for myself?

Assuming no changes from the L5R Honoured event, Starbane, a modified win is if you go to time during a round without a result, and can't agree on a result - once a Judge looks at the state of play, you can continue playing, but winning after that point is a modified win instead of a normal win, and will result in fewer points.

4 hours ago, shosuko said:

Sadly the people for whom the Banzai chant was uncomfortable, or offensive were people who didn't like shouting, and people who have no connection to Japanese atrocities but like to signal how woke they are in blog posts...

Just to be clear, I can empathise with the people who don't like shouting, and would just rather that wasn't a thing - and I would have been less disappointed had FFG just cut the chant entirely as an official thing than this bastardisation of the tradition.

I'd also venture the suggestion that most of those wondering why this is an issue would be the players joining L5R with this new version, rather than those of us who have been involved with it for a number of years, at a variety of large events.

6 hours ago, BittersweetCocoa said:

With this information I WILL not be buying L5R and will be boycotting all other FFG products including X-Wing and Legions. As much as it saddens me to not purchase or play those games I will not stand by a portion of my heritage getting swept under the rug, because it is misunderstood.

I'm sorry you don't see the difference, but this complaint is analagous to white people complaining they can't call african-americans negroes anymore, or worse, because it's what they've always called them.

What Japan does is Japan's business. America welcomes people of all ethnicities, or should, and complaining to FFG that they aren't using a specific rallying cry that's Japanese tradition, when it also carries troubling connotations for other American immigrant and global populations, is unlikely to change their minds. Nor should it.

And for the record, if FFG chooses to explore the meaning and use of the term through cards and story, that's great. There are ways to tackle troubling subject matter that are more complex than what should be a strictly positive pre-tournament rallying cry.

7 hours ago, McDermott said:

Edit: I'm not even claiming they should have kept the banzaii chant, im saying that this other one is "new coke" and is going to be received like "new coke"

Only if that's how people choose to receive it. It says more about them than about the chant, as with any use of language.

Well, it's pretty clear FFG is trying really hard to get "new people" aboard, not caring about whether veterans return or not (I guess expecting them to turn up anyway).

As a long-term L5R veteran (both CCG and RPG) who owns most of X-wing, Android Netrunner, AGOTLCG first edition & a lot more of FFG stuff and who was planning on buying heavily into both the new LCG and RPG, I feel like my business & contributions here are less desired by FFG than those of new people (the majority of whom are probably going to buy one core set, which we'll see appearing in second-hand stores soon). Oh well, I'll always have my proxies.

4 hours ago, El_Ganso said:

If there ever was a clear example of cultural appropriation, this is it

Japanese Person: "Banzai is a joyful cheer in our country!"

White Person in Roseville, Minnesota: "Well, we decided it is not"

Japanese Person: "But it's part of our heritage!"

White Person in Roseville, Minnesota: "Not anymore"

Please introduce me to a Japanese person you know that is offended by this.

43 minutes ago, Shinjo Tegi said:

Well, it's pretty clear FFG is trying really hard to get "new people" aboard, not caring about whether veterans return or not (I guess expecting them to turn up anyway).

As a long-term L5R veteran (both CCG and RPG) who owns most of X-wing, Android Netrunner, AGOTLCG first edition & a lot more of FFG stuff and who was planning on buying heavily into both the new LCG and RPG, I feel like my business & contributions here are less desired by FFG than those of new people (the majority of whom are probably going to buy one core set, which we'll see appearing in second-hand stores soon). Oh well, I'll always have my proxies.

Better get that post count up if you want this to be convincing...

47 minutes ago, BD Flory said:

I'm sorry you don't see the difference, but this complaint is analagous to white people complaining they can't call african-americans negroes anymore, or worse, because it's what they've always called them.

What Japan does is Japan's business. America welcomes people of all ethnicities, or should, and complaining to FFG that they aren't using a specific rallying cry that's Japanese tradition, when it also carries troubling connotations for other American immigrant and global populations, is unlikely to change their minds. Nor should it.

And for the record, if FFG chooses to explore the meaning and use of the term through cards and story, that's great. There are ways to tackle troubling subject matter that are more complex than what should be a strictly positive pre-tournament rallying cry.

So you'll accept me, but my culture is unacceptable to you?

You'd rather sweep my culture under the rug instead of letting knowledge of it spread and allow people to be elightened to facets of another culture.

That is troubling and offensive to ME. Is it acceptable for ME to be offended because in America I am a minority?

2 minutes ago, BD Flory said:

Better get that post count up if you want this to be convincing...

Crap like this is why I normally eschew forums. Attack the ideas not the poster. The Cult of the Post Count and the Quest for Upboats is cancerous to real discussion.

2 minutes ago, BittersweetCocoa said:

So you'll accept me, but my culture is unacceptable to you?

You'd rather sweep my culture under the rug instead of letting knowledge of it spread and allow people to be elightened to facets of another culture.

That is troubling and offensive to ME. Is it acceptable for ME to be offended because in America I am a minority?

As with all things, context matters.

There are wide swathes of significant things in various cultures from all parts of the world that aren't acceptable in America.

If I have to choose between the preferences of someone claiming something is an innocent chant for the sake of morale, and the preferences of someone claiming that same chant was used during the brutal invasion of their homeland, at an event in America, a nation where both cultures are represented? Yeah, easy choice.

Fortunately, I don't have to choose, except for myself. I don't particularly envy FFG any of the baggage that came with the deal to buy L5R.

7 minutes ago, digdoug said:

Crap like this is why I normally eschew forums. Attack the ideas not the poster. The Cult of the Post Count and the Quest for Upboats is cancerous to real discussion.

I'm not attacking the poster. I'm saying that a claim to be a faithful FFG purchaser who intends to boycott and cost FFG business really isn't likely to hold much weight if you've posted a grand total of 13 times on the various fora for three of FFG's biggest games, "and a lot more."

Just saying they were going to buy L5R and now they're not looks a lot less ridiculous.

5 minutes ago, BD Flory said:

As with all things, context matters.

There are wide swathes of significant things in various cultures from all parts of the world that aren't acceptable in America.

If I have to choose between the preferences of someone claiming something is an innocent chant for the sake of morale, and the preferences of someone claiming that same chant was used during the brutal invasion of their homeland, at an event in America, a nation where both cultures are represented? Yeah, easy choice.

Fortunately, I don't have to choose, except for myself. I don't particularly envy FFG any of the baggage that came with the deal to buy L5R.

I've never heard anyone - ever - complain about the word Banzai until two blog posts dropped recently. There is a convention here called Anime Banzai attracting tons of Utahn anime fans every year and I've never heard a single word about Banzai being offensive.

FFG did the obviously - completely ignorant kneejerk reaction - thing and pulled the Banzai chant for fear of twitter trolls throwing a tantrum. I don't blame them, and I think the way they announced it seemed alright (until people mentioned the SS motto lol).

In the end I think its clear FFG didn't do this because they felt Banzai was a problem, but because they feared social media backlash. The idea that Banzai is offensive to anyone in America is bs. This wasn't changed out of respect, it was changed out of fear. Ultimately its a fun little chant that was used to built unity among players in large tournaments. The new one may or may not catch on... I don't think it will have changed their sales either way.

1 minute ago, BD Flory said:

I'm not attacking the poster. I'm saying that a claim to be a faithful FFG purchaser who intends to boycott and cost FFG business really isn't likely to hold much weight if you've posted a grand total of 13 times on the various fora for three of FFG's biggest games, "and a lot more."

I've made total of 40 posts with this post. I currently own about a dozen FFG games. There is no correlation between post count and game purchases. You attacked his opinion solely based on his post count.

Just now, digdoug said:

I've made total of 40 posts with this post. I currently own about a dozen FFG games. There is no correlation between post count and game purchases. You attacked his opinion solely based on his post count.

I said it wasn't convincing. I didn't say it wasn't true.

Low post counts don't mean someone doesn't own a lot of FFG games. A high post count, however, means they probably do, and probably have for a long time. The latter will likely be given more consideration by FFG.

I fail to see how this is in any way controversial.

7 minutes ago, BD Flory said:

As with all things, context matters.

There are wide swathes of significant things in various cultures from all parts of the world that aren't acceptable in America.

If I have to choose between the preferences of someone claiming something is an innocent chant for the sake of morale, and the preferences of someone claiming that same chant was used during the brutal invasion of their homeland, at an event in America, a nation where both cultures are represented? Yeah, easy choice.

Fortunately, I don't have to choose, except for myself. I don't particularly envy FFG any of the baggage that came with the deal to buy L5R.

Please tell me who IS offended by the word "banzai". I really would like to know who is. I have only heard of people who might be.

The last War Japan participated in was over 70 years ago. Shouldn't it be time to move past the fact that, it happenED. As much as L5R is a game of war it can be a game about eras of peace, moving past old wounds.

Also please answer this question I stated prior: "That is troubling and offensive to ME. Is it acceptable for ME to be offended because in America I am a minority?"

10 minutes ago, BD Flory said:

I said it wasn't convincing. I didn't say it wasn't true.

Low post counts don't mean someone doesn't own a lot of FFG games. A high post count, however, means they probably do, and probably have for a long time. The latter will likely be given more consideration by FFG.

I fail to see how this is in any way controversial.

ffg won't read this thread, or care about anyone on the forum. Some people talk more than others. I play 3 FFG games and have 1500 posts lol. Some ppl just can't shut up.

I think anyone deciding to boycott a company over some trivial social matter is foolish. Whether its because they do something "not pc" or because they do something "pc" doesn't matter.

New l5r is different from ol5r in many ways. This is one more way that they are different. Might as well quit because we don't have chi, or because we don't focus cards in duels...

I'm less concerned with FFG's actions than I am the fact that people think Banzai is somehow offensive. I really don't think anyone is genuinely offended by it, and that this is a big stag hunt. No one is offended, but tons of internet jockeys who bait likes and shares through #triggered topics want us to THINK someone is offended.

Just now, shosuko said:

I'm less concerned with FFG's actions than I am the fact that people think Banzai is somehow offensive. The answer to trauma is to overcome trauma through exposure, and a big dose of getting over it. Holding on to trauma and denying exposure cultivates the trauma and makes it worse. I refuse to play part of people cultivating trauma.

Where'd you get your medical degree? You should offer FFG your expertise.

4 minutes ago, BittersweetCocoa said:

Please tell me who IS offended by the word "banzai". I really would like to know who is. I have only heard of people who might be.

I don't have a link handy, but I'm sure if you googled it, you could find comments to that effect. A response to SU&SD's review comes to mind (which people promptly proceeded to attempt to shout down).

As to your other question, I think I answered it quite succinctly.

2 minutes ago, BD Flory said:

Where'd you get your medical degree? You should offer FFG your expertise.

24 minutes ago, digdoug said:

Crap like this is why I normally eschew forums. Attack the ideas not the poster. The Cult of the Post Count and the Quest for Upboats is cancerous to real discussion.

qtf lol

Sorry if I choose not to concede that a proper treatment for historical trauma is "a big dose of getting over it," to random internet comments.

8 minutes ago, shosuko said:

ffg won't read this thread, or care about anyone on the forum.

You'd be surprised, by the way. Just because they don't comment as a matter of policy doesn't mean they don't read.