Okay guys. MOAR games!

This mini-tournament will be as casual as humanly possible.

Requirements:

-225 point fleets, regular building rules! (allows for the Admiral a little, and a nice even 75 max in squads)

-Commander = Yes, required!

-3'x3' area. Setup will be distance 3 of each side (similar to Learn to Play diagram.)

-All submitted fleets will go into a pool. The fleets will be randomly distributed every round, but cannot be received by its designer. A player will not be assigned the opponent with his/her fleet.

-Three tournament rounds.

-Fleets win points on modified tourney chart. Players win points on modified tourney chart. These points are totaled to give a player their score based on how they did and how their fleet did.

0-33 6/5

34-79 = 7/4

80-124 =8/3

125-169 = 9/2

170-225 = 10/1

-Blockade Run currently banned as an objective. Minefields and Fleet Ambush are nuts but available. All scoring objectives have their VPs reduced by 1/2 rounded up. (Close-Range Intel Scan = 5, Station Assault = 20, Fighter Ambush =8, etc.)

-All other Star Wars Armada rules apply. Let me know if there are any pressing questions as soon as possible.

Other info:

I'd like this to coincide with the Elimination Rounds, so we should act quickly. We can start as soon as the 9th of October and try to keep pace with them.

All spoiled Wave Heaven cards are legal.

Round 1:

Round 2:

Round 3 (Final Round!):

The Lists:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EzUT1phjaV84GvAcA3dZRgTMgHnMzNmSfPztHMpMPOw/edit?usp=sharing

The Stats:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-r-DGxObDrmUmsZuMM7c1yb2EYIAuZhMnNewR_3Jk8Q/edit?usp=sharing

13 minutes ago, Tokra said:

Or how about a random mix match. Everyone who signs up hand in a list (it has to be a playable list....).
And these lists are given out at random to all players at each round. So you can gamble on doing a rather bad list, and hope that your opponent get it.

This way you will see some new lists (even some strange ones) and you will play a new list on each round. And you will see a difference to this min/max lists that happen right now. And maybe even see some squadrons you never saw on the field so far .

22 minutes ago, PartyPotato said:

I was the most upset at loosing my last match simply because that meant no more Vassal games for some time. So I'm all in.

Couple ideas...

- I remember the random box tournament where you randomly got product boxes that dictated what was available to you. If memory serves me, it was smaller 200 pt quick matchs? I remember good times there.

- I think it'd be fun to do "Uniques Off Limits" meaning that any unique card save your admiral is off limits. Call it battle of the generics.

8 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I dont understand what you mean with this quote. The idea from PartyPotato is different to the one from me.

1 minute ago, Tokra said:

I dont understand what you mean with this quote. The idea from PartyPotato is different to the one from me.

I was just reposting both here.

20 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I was just reposting both here.

AHH. I see. Thought it was in the other (Vassal Autumn) threat. Didn't see that you made a new one.

What I believe @CaribbeanNinja Is trying to do is create an octagon of ideas where through glourious hand to hand combat one idea emerges triumphant.

Sadly potatos do not have hands.

I'd be up for this. Potato's ideas are pretty good. Might have to make a Tagge fleet....lol

What about a merging of Tokra and PPs ideas?

Create a 200 point list (I could see 300 easily) and then before each round, they are randomly distributed.

(Would Veggie's idea work? I worry about there not being enough choice)

Eye Just don't know if I can get on board with the root of Mr. Potatoes suggestions. Although, getting a new fleet every time helps when you realize the one you have isn't great.

8 minutes ago, Viktor Tanek said:

Eye Just don't know if I can get on board with the root of Mr. Potatoes suggestions. Although, getting a new fleet every time helps when you realize the one you have isn't great.

What you don't like watching hand to hand combat in an octagon?

Switching to my serious side. Generic play is pretty fun. Especiallly when you realize that almost every complaint thats brought up is because of a unique card. Running a generic list with no uniques against someone thats fielding an BT Avenger backed up by an Demo... ya I can see how that wouldn't be any fun.

When you strip out all of those overused cards your left with a still pretty compelling game of that plays more like chess where the focus is on how you use the pieces vs creating the best combo.

The harshest generic card I can think of its intel officer. But I'm open to anything really.

If we do end up doing a generic list format, I'll give mad props to anyone that takes Reikan.

Another potential twist to add:

Everyone submits a list (with whatever restrictions we decide). Lists are assigned randomly each round.

Tourney points are tracked for both the player, and the list.

Winner is the person with the best personal score and the best list score combined,

so...you want to design a list that's really good, and easy to use. But, not so good that you can't beat it if you end up facing it.

2 minutes ago, Maturin said:

Another potential twist to add:

Everyone submits a list (with whatever restrictions we decide). Lists are assigned randomly each round.

Tourney points are tracked for both the player, and the list.

Winner is the person with the best personal score and the best list score combined,

so...you want to design a list that's really good, and easy to use. But, not so good that you can't beat it if you end up facing it.

oooo....I like that!

4 minutes ago, Maturin said:

Another potential twist to add:

Everyone submits a list (with whatever restrictions we decide). Lists are assigned randomly each round.

Tourney points are tracked for both the player, and the list.

Winner is the person with the best personal score and the best list score combined,

so...you want to design a list that's really good, and easy to use. But, not so good that you can't beat it if you end up facing it.

This is strong guys. Can we get behind something like this?

57 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

This is strong guys. Can we get behind something like this?

I can. I just wonder about it being 200-300 pts. I can do whatever, I just know that the objective pts needed to be altered in the "box" tourney. If we adhere to that scaling, it should be fine.

1 hour ago, PartyPotato said:

Switching to my serious side. Generic play is pretty fun. Especiallly when you realize that almost every complaint thats brought up is because of a unique card. Running a generic list with no uniques against someone thats fielding an BT Avenger backed up by an Demo... ya I can see how that wouldn't be any fun.

That's what I just did in the Autumn tourney! First round went against a BTVenger with an ISD-II and 3 GSD-Is, no uniques but Motti. It was quite fun. I just barely lost, but it was quite fun.

Heck, it's rare that I don't fly generic-only (non counting admirals of course).

1 hour ago, Maturin said:

Another potential twist to add:

Everyone submits a list (with whatever restrictions we decide). Lists are assigned randomly each round.

Tourney points are tracked for both the player, and the list.

Winner is the person with the best personal score and the best list score combined,

so...you want to design a list that's really good, and easy to use. But, not so good that you can't beat it if you end up facing it.

Didn't we talk about doing something like this a year or so ago? I can't remember if it actually happened, but I thought it sounded like a good idea.

I think somebody had a valid objection to how it could be gamed, but I don't recall what it was.

I do think you want to avoid somebody having to play against their own list, though, since it'd end up kind of a zero-sum game for them.

5 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Didn't we talk about doing something like this a year or so ago? I can't remember if it actually happened, but I thought it sounded like a good idea.

I think somebody had a valid objection to how it could be gamed, but I don't recall what it was.

I do think you want to avoid somebody having to play against their own list, though, since it'd end up kind of a zero-sum game for them.

Good point Ard. It might also be good to not have them play with their own list, as that's doubling down on the result.

TBH I got this idea from 40k a long time ago....I forget how playing against your own list was handled....I'll have to see if I can dig up the specifics.

1 minute ago, Maturin said:

It might also be good to not have them play with their own list, as that's doubling down on the result.

Oh, I guess I'd assumed this piece, but yeah I agree.

That could start to complicate matchups and randomization if the player pool is too small though. I dunno.

On which point: I probably won't be able to participate. Vassal events are kind of sprint/break/sprint/break for me, because they're a pretty substantial impact on my time with my family. And I gotta be fresh for the @BiggsIRL Annual World Cup.

So we can have folks submit lists, and then they cannot play their own lists.

I guess one thing that can happen is you can tank somebody's list, but as this is a friendly thing, I'm really not too worried.

What about points?

Full 400? Or should we aim for quicker 200/300 point games?

21 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

And I gotta be fresh for the @BiggsIRL Annual World Cup.

When is that, again?

28 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Oh, I guess I'd assumed this piece, but yeah I agree.

That could start to complicate matchups and randomization if the player pool is too small though. I dunno.

On which point: I probably won't be able to participate. Vassal events are kind of sprint/break/sprint/break for me, because they're a pretty substantial impact on my time with my family. And I gotta be fresh for the @BiggsIRL Annual World Cup.

6 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

When is that, again?

That's in January you sissy! (I think)

I vote for 200. @Blail Blerg's Task Force format has been incredibly quick and fun.

8 minutes ago, Maturin said:

I vote for 200. @Blail Blerg's Task Force format has been incredibly quick and fun.

I like 200 as well. What are the criteria? No commander? 1/3 Squads?