R-22 Spearhead now canon. Potential ship for Scum?

By Vector, in X-Wing

The R-22 Spearhead was recently made canon after being mentioned in the book Star Wars: A-Wing Deluxe Book and 3D Wood Model which means could it possibly be considered as a fighter for the game?

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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R-22_Spearhead/Canon

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R-22_Spearhead (Legends)

The Spearhead was an improved version of the Delta-7 Aethersprite-class light interceptor and served as a prototype of the Rebel's RZ-1 A-wing interceptor. The ship became used by the Tammuz-an space navy in the Outer Rim with a couple of ships later used by the Rebel Alliance. Though near-identical to the A-Wing with laser cannons and concussion missile launchers, the ship featured two seats for a pilot and a crew member.

The R-22 Spearhead could be a great opportunity for a fast and powerful Starfighter for Scum rather than just a title for the Rebel A-Wing. In addition to having similar armaments to the A-Wing, the ship could be a great advantage due to the additional crew slot.

Pilots which could be included with ship for Scum are:

*Jann Tosh

*King Mon Julpa

*Tammuz-an navy pilot

Plus, an additional Rebel pilot could be included.

Edited by Vector

The problem is that the A wing fills almost the same niche as the light/medium/heavy Scyk. A light ship with 2 attack and 3 agility that for extra cost can take ordnance.

Im not very knowledgable on the lore surrounding this ship but what can it offer the scum faction that the Scyk doesn't already do?

7 minutes ago, Quadjumper King said:

The problem is that the A wing fills almost the same niche as the light/medium/heavy Scyk. A light ship with 2 attack and 3 agility that for extra cost can take ordnance.

Im not very knowledgable on the lore surrounding this ship but what can it offer the scum faction that the Scyk doesn't already do?

One advantage I can think of is the additional crew. Could include Bossk, Latts Razzi or Boba Fett crew cards. Because a lot of the ship's stats in Legends and also currently in Canon have not been elaborated upon, it could allow FFG to further expand upon the ship.

Could also be a new A-Wing title.

1 hour ago, Vector said:

One advantage I can think of is the additional crew. Could include Bossk, Latts Razzi or Boba Fett crew cards. Because a lot of the ship's stats in Legends and also currently in Canon have not been elaborated upon, it could allow FFG to further expand upon the ship.

If it's got different stats I'd be down, but an Awing/Scyk with a crew slot doesn't really grab me as being all that interesting.

Scum however have their 12 point Scyk, 14+ point Scyk, 15(17 really) point quadjumper and the 20 (+ some freebies) point Khiraxz. Where can this fit in?

Perhaps as an alternative to the quadjumper with 17 points base and allow some cheap mid PS crew carriers with high agility.

weve seen cheap crew carriers before in the Tie Bomber/shuttle (and apparently theyve performed well recently, someone's been winning with a 5 squad in some other country) but without some new crew or mechanics I don't see them being all that fun to play...

Sure, why not? I'm tired of seeing Rebels go unscathed by the "Let's just give every faction every ship" mentality FFG seems to have.

More Rebel ships for Scum, so long as Scum never touches Imperial ships. Ever.

12 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Sure, why not? I'm tired of seeing Rebels go unscathed by the "Let's just give every faction every ship" mentality FFG seems to have.

More Rebel ships for Scum, so long as Scum never touches Imperial ships. Ever.

Firespray...

Just now, Hannes Solo said:

Firespray...

That was only because the Scum faction didn't exist at the time. I prefer to think of it as "Imperials pre-emptively got a Scum ship" than vice versa.

Regarding R-22 - it might work best as a title, that forces them to sacrifice the Boost ability. Maybe with "Two-seat trainer" as a separate thing that grants the Crew slot - and may be taken in addition to other Titles.

Edited by Ironlord
9 hours ago, Hannes Solo said:

Firespray...

God I hate single word replies. They're all the same.

Like the guy above me said, that's only because Scum didn't exist at the time.

Scum needs to be turned into a mercenary faction. All scum ships made available (perhaps limited by which faction it's available to) in rebel/Imperial lists as mercs. It's what they are, see ESB and Shadows of the Empire for examples.

The availability of iconic faction ships in opposing factions needs to be minimized. The R-22 should be rebel and only rebel.

9 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

God I hate single word replies. They're all the same.

Like the guy above me said, that's only because Scum didn't exist at the time.

Hey! I added 3 dots.

With this thread and the RZ-2 one right over here, I'd say that this would make a fine future Addition as a title:

"A Wing only: Gain a tech upgrade Slot."

4 hours ago, DampfGecko said:

With this thread and the RZ-2 one right over here, I'd say that this would make a fine future Addition as a title:

"A Wing only: Gain a tech upgrade Slot."

I feel that a Tie/FO with ordnance (especially with the newer tech upgrades coming out) would be pretty decent. Especially if it can still take two EPT's

On 10/5/2017 at 5:02 AM, Hannes Solo said:

Could also be a new A-Wing title.

This. A title that adds a Crew slot to the A-Wing.

On 10/5/2017 at 6:47 AM, Hannes Solo said:

Firespray...

Firespray was Imperials stealing a Scum ship, not the other way around.

Edited by DarthEnderX
42 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

Firespray was Imperials stealing a Scum ship, not the other way around.

How was it stealing when scum didn't exist?

5 hours ago, Gadgetron said:

How was it stealing when scum didn't exist?

The way, like, three other people have already described in this thread.

23 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

God I hate single word replies. They're all the same.

Like the guy above me said, that's only because Scum didn't exist at the time.

Does it bother you when someone flies a firespray in the imperial faction?

im not trying to poke a bear here. I’m genuinely curious if people with this mindset get bothered when the imperial faction includes a firespray after it has been placed in its rightful faction.

I don't know about you guys, but they can't make a title for the A-Wing, regardless of points because of Hera and Tycho. together particularly.

11 minutes ago, Rogue_Group1 said:

I don't know about you guys, but they can't make a title for the A-Wing, regardless of points because of Hera and Tycho. together particularly.

While there are hidden combos to be wary of, I'm not sure Tycho with Hera crew is one of them. Yes, that does mean he can almost ignore stress altogether, but with his limited damage output, it doesn't feel overblown. Heck, I'd still be tempted to just stick with Jake.

And that's just assuming best case scenario of this title allowing another title taken and no other cost (like loss of shields and the change of color for some maneuvers).

1 hour ago, DarthEnderX said:

The way, like, three other people have already described in this thread.

I've re-read the thread, not seeing any of these descriptions...

I'm seeing statements. Valid statements, that Scum didn't exist (and really shouldn't exist) and therefore isn't stealing.

1 hour ago, Kdubb said:

Does it bother you when someone flies a firespray in the imperial faction?

im not trying to poke a bear here. I’m genuinely curious if people with this mindset get bothered when the imperial faction includes a firespray after it has been placed in its rightful faction.

What, do people expect it to be FAQed out of existence?

On ‎10‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 2:57 PM, Captain Lackwit said:

God I hate single word replies. They're all the same.

Firespray.

On ‎10‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 5:34 AM, Captain Lackwit said:

Sure, why not? I'm tired of seeing Rebels go unscathed by the "Let's just give every faction every ship" mentality FFG seems to have.

Z-95. Y-Wing. HWK.

There ya go. 4 words. And the ship stealing was the entire starting premise of the faction. . .

Edited by Darth Meanie
24 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Firespray.

Z-95. Y-Wing. HWK.

There ya go. 4 words. And the ship stealing was the entire starting premise of the faction. . .

Fair enough.

Steal more I say.

2 hours ago, Kdubb said:

Does it bother you when someone flies a firespray in the imperial faction?

im not trying to poke a bear here. I’m genuinely curious if people with this mindset get bothered when the imperial faction includes a firespray after it has been placed in its rightful faction.

Well no, of course not. I mean, hey, Boba DID work for The Empire **** near exclusively for a good long while.

I just question if they're in their right mind actually using Imperial Boba.

22 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Firespray.

Z-95. Y-Wing. HWK.

There ya go. 4 words. And the ship stealing was the entire starting premise of the faction. . .

Anyone else find it odd that one ship from each of the first 4 waves was ‘borrowed’ for Scum? It’s almost like Scum WAS there all along, hiding in plain sight.

also still wondering why the HWK was chosen as the first EU ship to be introduced, especially when the YT-2400 was established as canon in the special editions. The rebels obviously needed another large ship to balance the factions. But then what would waves 4-5 look like? Perhaps Most wanted and the Starvipers along side Defenders and E-wings for wave 4 and HWK (with Scum pilots), Rebel Z-95, TIE Phantom, Aggressor for wave 5. Wave six? Scyk, Khyraxz, GUNBOAT, Decimator. No rebs? Sure why not.