hello everyone!
I have a rapid and stupid question about Commander Sato, can his ability work on an Armed Station?
Sato's card wording talk about "attacking a ship" so, IMO, he cannot because the station isn't a ship...am I right?

That's not a stupid question at all. No Sato can't boost the armed station but not because its not a ship (it's treated as a ship when attacking) but because it's not "friendly" to Sato.

Hi.
I think there was a discussion over this topic in the past but I don't remember if there was a consensus.
My opinion is that the station doesn't gain the bonus from Sato as even if it counts as a ship, it doesn't is a "friendly" ship. But I know there are people that thinks differently and can make a good argument for why it could be considered friendly

Duh me. Move along.

Wait, you want to know if you can use his ability while attacking the station, right? Yes, you can.

"Stations are treated as ships when resolving effects."

"A Station is treated as a ship with one hull zone while attacking or defending."

Both!

But...if the station is considered a ship while being attacked, why could not be considered a ship while attacking a ship?

11 minutes ago, Kieran Rexer said:

Both!

But...if the station is considered a ship while being attacked, why could not be considered a ship while attacking a ship?

I have no idea. I disagree with that assertion--I think Sato does apply to attacks from the station too--but don't have time to back it up or find the thread in which it was already discussed.

I'd say no because the station is not considered a "friendly ship". It is treated as a ship except where it is not, so that's fine. But it's not friendly to anyone.

It's a bit ambiguous, but I think Sato's ability shouldn't be used for an attack coming from a station. The definition of friendly is:

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All ships and squadrons in the same fleet are friendly to each other. All ships and squadrons in an opposing fleet are enemy ships and squadrons.

I don't think the armed station from the objective is considered part of your fleet.

That's the point...I mean, if the station is considered a ship during the attack sequence, while attacking and defending, why it can be affected by Sato's ability and cannot trigger it?

See this is what happens when you guys let me be the first one to answer a question. The only thing I'm 100% sure about now is that the OP didn't ask a "stupid" question. Now I'm starting to question whether or not the Armed Station is considered part of your fleet. If it is part of your fleet then it's friendly, if it's not part of your fleet then it's not friendly. If it is part of your fleet and is treated as a ship then wouldn't it need to be destroyed for you to be tabled.

...this gonna be fun...or will end in disaster!

I've asked this question re: Targeting Scrambler, Sato and other effects.

So far, no response.

I have a feeling they're Neutral. But if you allow Sato to apply for and against, then you also have to concede that in the Station Assault Objective, the opponent can use Targeting Scrambler to defend them... Which, if you have played against me, is super annoying , and I would totally let someone Sato if it meant I could do that.

So at this point, I don't know if its intended or not.

Wait, I'm confused: where are we getting "it's not friendly" from? I'm just looking at a PDF scan of the CC rules right now so I might be missing a rule here...

17 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Wait, I'm confused: where are we getting "it's not friendly" from? I'm just looking at a PDF scan of the CC rules right now so I might be missing a rule here...

RRG:

All ships and squadrons in the same fleet are friendly to each other. All ships and squadrons in an opposing fleet are enemy ships and squadrons.

Are they "Included in your fleet" to be friendly, is the question. Since they are Objective Tokens still.

Because the CC Rules do not say they are friendly. They do not say they are not. It has nothing to say on the matter.

However, the act of p;acing the squadron card with your fleet may make it so - that is what I asked for clarification on

13 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Wait, I'm confused: where are we getting "it's not friendly" from? I'm just looking at a PDF scan of the CC rules right now so I might be missing a rule here...

Because it never smiles, waves, or says hello . In reality though what Dras said.

12 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

However, the act of p;acing the squadron card with your fleet may make it so - that is what I asked for clarification on

Cool, makes sense. This is the part that I guess makes me think it's friendly, even though it's not explicitly called out as part of your fleet.

I can definitely see arguments pro and con. The CC rules tend to rely much more heavily on interpretation, since they're not nearly as tightly-written as the RRG, so I think until they address Dras' question (I'll submit it too), this is another "decide with your mates before it comes up" one.

It does follow on to normal games with station assault - thats why i asked rather than leaving it at "talk it over"

5 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

It does follow on to normal games with station assault - thats why i asked rather than leaving it at "talk it over"

I think pretty much only for TS, right? I can't think of another situation where "friendly ship" matters for it. Redemption would, but since it doesn't resolve commands, that's not important. It doesn't attack in Station Assault, so Home One doesn't matter. It's not medium or larger, so Konstantine doesn't matter.

Not saying it's not worth asking--it definitely is. Just wondering about application.

Just now, Ardaedhel said:

I think pretty much only for TS, right? I can't think of another situation where "friendly ship" matters for it. Redemption would, but since it doesn't resolve commands, that's not important. It doesn't attack in Station Assault, so Home One doesn't matter. It's not medium or larger, so Konstantine doesn't matter.

Not saying it's not worth asking--it definitely is. Just wondering about application.

Yep, Specifically over Targeting Scrambler.

Nose Punch likes Station Assault while going second, due to its GSR / TS / DoubleG-7 combo between the two Interdictors, so it was important to know at the time.

Less now, what with the Great Nerfing and all

....Screed...

Just now, Kieran Rexer said:

....Screed...

Only applies in CC. Not regular games.