11 hours ago, rogue_09 said:

20 bucks says it was part of the pickups/reshoots when they got to editing and thought Vader popping in at the end was abrupt.

IIRC the whole Vader sequence at the end was added during reshoots.

I generally enjoyed the movie and found the ending quite appropriate for the overall military themed "desperate mission" focus of the story.

I watched it as my first IMAX 3D film, and was happy with the overall experience.

5 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

IIRC the whole Vader sequence at the end was added during reshoots.

Scuttlebutt I've heard is it was a true reshoot as the first version was deemed too violent by the Mouse. Now that's some deleted footage I'd love to get my eyebeans on.

19 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

So have you... grown more beautiful, ... for a Senator, I mean.

10 hours ago, rogue_09 said:

Scuttlebutt I've heard is it was a true reshoot as the first version was deemed too violent by the Mouse. Now that's some deleted footage I'd love to get my eyebeans on.

AFAIK the reshoots made it more violent, not less. Regardless, the reshoots were mostly about structure, such as retooling Jyn's character arc and streamlining Scarif.

On 10/5/2017 at 8:00 PM, whafrog said:

Honestly, the movies don't even rank anymore. For me it's:

1. TCW (a bit stiff for Season 1, but by Season 5/6 completely blows away any of the movies on all levels, from dialogue and drama to world-building)
2. Rebels
3. E5

I know this post is hella old, but I just read it and couldn't let it go without comment.

I'm not one to criticize other fans' sense of what's fun, but I will say that this opinion is more different from mine than anything I've ever heard from another Star Wars fan before! Rebels over Empire Strikes Back... to me that is even harder to understand than if someone had said they like Phantom Menace more than Empire.

I can understand rating Clone Wars highly, because there are some cool ideas there (although for me personally, I find the animation style ugly and many aspects--like the Nightsisters, Hondo, Mortis, and Savage Oppress don't feel like Star Wars). But even then, higher than Empire... wow. I respect the audacity of your ranking!

1 hour ago, DaverWattra said:

Rebels over Empire Strikes Back... to me that is even harder to understand than if someone had said they like Phantom Menace more than Empire.

Rebels has more in it, once it gets going. More depth to the characters, more nuance, more time spent exploring a richer background, more detail into that entire galactic universe. In contrast, we know almost nothing about the characters in the movies except in the broadest and most archetypal way. After a few viewings (and I saw it several times in the theatres when it came out, plus owned it in various formats over the years, including VHS), it gets old. It's still a great movie, but I know by now who Luke's father is, and, like music that I grew up with (eg: Led Zeppelin), I've moved on. When you compare it to the animated stuff, there's actually very little content.

1 hour ago, DaverWattra said:

I can understand rating Clone Wars highly, because there are some cool ideas there (although for me personally, I find the animation style ugly and many aspects--like the Nightsisters, Hondo, Mortis, and Savage Oppress don't feel like Star Wars )

I don't really get the narrow view some people impose. Just the few hints and names Lucas dropped even in E4 told everyone that the galaxy was bigger than what they could see...that's part of the appeal!...and yet some people still want "what is Star Wars" to be constrained by what they have already seen.

Which is not to say I like every animated episode...some is clearly filler.

As for style...(shrug)...I can't see how anyone wouldn't appreciate at least the backdrops, the incredible panning and zooming views, and all that world building. It's what I liked most about the prequels, and miss most in Rebels.

1 hour ago, whafrog said:

When you compare it to the animated stuff, there's actually very little content.

Well of course there is, the show was what, 6 seasons? With 12+ episodes per season, each running half an hour? Of course there is more content in that compared to a few movies. I'm not really sure that's a fair comparison. When you have 40+ hours to tell a story, of course you can go into more depth with it, you can also have completely useless episodes that are just filler. Movies are under a much more constrained timeframe to tell their narrative.

But every movie would have "very little content" when compared to a multi-season long tv series. But their not the same medium of storytelling.

I mean, i get what you are saying, and on a level I understand your point, but I don't think it's a fair criticism of the movies to say "they didn't have enough content when compared to something 20 times longer than they were"

1 hour ago, KungFuFerret said:

I mean, i get what you are saying, and on a level I understand your point, but I don't think it's a fair criticism of the movies to say "they didn't have enough content when compared to something 20 times longer than they were"

Well, I'm not trying to be "fair" it's not really a question of fairness. I'm simply explaining why I don't watch the movies anymore, or rank them as highly in terms of re-watchability. The animated stuff is a far richer experience, and frankly, even the poor episodes still top the cutesy half of E6.

Besides, half my eye is out for stuff I can insert into my games...activities/scenes/conflicts in the background that I can use for anything from extra flavour to an entire session. There's really very little in the OT for that, and while the PT has plenty, it's still only a few hours long. In contrast, grab any cantina scene in TCW (and there are plenty), pick any character, and there's a story seed waiting to be exploited.

Of course I get the constraints of the movie lengths...that was Lucas' own beef about having to create a saga in 6 hours. But it doesn't mean I need to watch them anymore.

Different strokes for different folks, right? Arguing subjective individual preferences never renders objective value conclusions. Tomato to-mah-to.