You're no longer limited to only one mod per ship. What breaks?

By HolySorcerer, in X-Wing

With the ever expanding list of mods as fixes we now have to decide which fix to equip to our ships as we're limited to only one mod. But what if we weren't? Does Fel come back? Do Punishers make a showing? Do LRS/chips Bombers dominate the meta? Do X-Wings get gud?

What breaks with unlimited access to mods?

It sucks away the last bit of magic that made the Intercepters special little snow flakes.

Although I wouod have fun with the expansive options, I think it is a bad call. If it is fine now, it wont be after a couple more releases. Too many interactions for the devs to keep track of.

Autothrusters becomes broken. Specifically on PTL Engine R2D2 FCS AT Corran Horn, and pretty much any /x7. But others as well.

Probably some things breaking, but the price inflation for some combos might not be worth it.

Vader with hull at and stealth device would be nasty. I wouldnt think broken though.

Experimental interface would become quite popular, Id reckon.

22 minutes ago, Pewpewpew BOOM said:

It sucks away the last bit of magic that made the Intercepters special little snow flakes.

Although I wouod have fun with the expansive options, I think it is a bad call. If it is fine now, it wont be after a couple more releases. Too many interactions for the devs to keep track of.

Did any Interceptor but Jax and Fel use the title? Ints are already overcosted, adding most cost to them seems like a bad idea.

21 minutes ago, Khyros said:

Autothrusters becomes broken. Specifically on PTL Engine R2D2 FCS AT Corran Horn, and pretty much any /x7. But others as well.

That's more an issue with R2-D2 being way too good. If Corran didn't have infinite health it wouldn't be quite so bad.

5 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

Did any Interceptor but Jax and Fel use the title?

Back when Stealth Device was good, every Interceptor did.

Vader with EU, Autothrusters, Twin Ion Mk. II, and Guidance Chips becomes seriously scary.

It would actually help the T-65 to have Integrated Astro, Vectored Thrusters and G Chips at the same time. . .

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39 minutes ago, MaxPower said:

Vader with hull at and stealth device would be nasty. I wouldnt think broken though.

Experimental interface would become quite popular, Id reckon.

Id rather have Vader with engine upgrade and autothrusters... :-)

Or Whisper with Experimental interface, Kylo crew and advanced sensor (ie reveal a green maneuver, do your action+kylo before moving and then clear the stress).

Miranda would take vectoriel thrusters or engine upgrade + advanced SLAM.

Engine/Autos is the main one, assuming that you make this any number of *different* mods. If you do any number of mods without specifying different, every single torpedo and missile instantly becomes all hits or all crits...

The funny part is that X-wings would just barely be under competitive power levels even with Chips, IA, R2, Plasma torps on a rookie for 25 pts.

Phantoms would be nuts with both Advanced Cloaking Device AND Stygium Particle Accelerator. Even more so if you wanted to shell out the points for Engine Upgrade and Autothrusters. You're looking at roughly a 50pt whisper, but dang she would be hard to take down.

1 hour ago, Favoritism Flight Games said:

Vader with EU, Autothrusters, Twin Ion Mk. II, and Guidance Chips becomes seriously scary.

Vader should be scary.

IMO, you should be allowed 2 mods per ship base. All the cards which let you take two mods simply let you take +1.

So Vaksai would let you take 4 mods. Royal Guard TIE would let you take 3. etc...

22 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

Phantoms would be nuts with both Advanced Cloaking Device AND Stygium Particle Accelerator. Even more so if you wanted to shell out the points for Engine Upgrade and Autothrusters. You're looking at roughly a 50pt whisper, but dang she would be hard to take down.

You mean they'd actually stand a chance in the meta?

I mean, it's kinda silly that SPA is basically useless. If you're using it, you're not shooting. If you're shooting, you're dead because turrets eat 4 hp 2 agility ships alive.

At least they should have made SPA a title or something.

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43 minutes ago, Thormind said:

Id rather have Vader with engine upgrade and autothrusters... :-)

Or Whisper with Experimental interface, Kylo crew and advanced sensor (ie reveal a green maneuver, do your action+kylo before moving and then clear the stress).

Miranda would take vectoriel thrusters or engine upgrade + advanced SLAM.

Sorry, I thought at, meaning autothrusters, implied engine upgrade.

I had thought about something similar, but instead of unlimited- give each ship a modification score. They would be able to equip mods of total points up to their modifications score. Would probably mean Guidance Chips gets costed at 1 point, but otherwise things don't change (maybe make Engine Upgrade small only as it makes sense for large ships to have higher mod scores). I guess you'd have to make Hull, Shield, Stealth, and Autos limited too, maybe a few others.

2 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:

With the ever expanding list of mods as fixes we now have to decide which fix to equip to our ships as we're limited to only one mod. But what if we weren't? Does Fel come back? Do Punishers make a showing? Do LRS/chips Bombers dominate the meta? Do X-Wings get gud?

What breaks with unlimited access to mods?

What I would like to see is the Modification limit being increased by 1. So, all ships would be able to equip 2 mods, TIE Interceptors 3 mods and Kihraxz 4.

EVERYTHING!

mods are the path to the dark side

Mods lead to EU, EU leads to thrusters, thrusters...lead to suffering

14 minutes ago, Odanan said:

What I would like to see is the Modification limit being increased by 1. So, all ships would be able to equip 2 mods, TIE Interceptors 3 mods and Kihraxz 4.

This and a new Imperial TIE only upgrade that gives boost for 2-3 points.

1 hour ago, HolySorcerer said:

Vader should be scary.

Nah. This is ScumWing. Apparantly Dengar and Nym rule the galaxy in Alex Davy's fantasy.

2 minutes ago, Favoritism Flight Games said:

Nah. This is ScumWing. Apparantly Dengar and Nym rule the galaxy in Alex Davy's fantasy.

I'm not going to say anything negative about Alex, as I don't know the man, but they really need an Imperial fanboy on the design team to bring some balance to the forces. We need someone on the inside arguing for us, because from the outside looking in, it feels like there is a lot of bias against us.

Basically, Engine Upgrade (if needed) and Autothrusters become auto-includes on anything. FFG sells more StarVipers and TIE Silencers because everyone wants more Authothrusters.

Sounds like good business for FFG! Also helps scum a lot (Torpscouts, Fat Dengar, Fenn Rau, etc.), so I think this has a high likelihood of becoming reality! :P

25 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

I'm not going to say anything negative about Alex, as I don't know the man, but they really need an Imperial fanboy on the design team to bring some balance to the forces. We need someone on the inside arguing for us, because from the outside looking in, it feels like there is a lot of bias against us.

Yes, yes there does.

Whisper (32) with:

ATC 4

SPA 2

LWF 2

EU 4

AT 2

VI 1

FCS 2

(Crew) 3

= 52 points

Even if you out PS, she's rocking 3 defense dice and an evade token with autothrusters, and can hit 5 defense dice against Swarm Leader shots.

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