1 minute ago, whafrog said:

* full disclosure: this would never happen, I'm way too much of an introvert...and I don't need an X card to say so... However, I do spell out the same things for my own group, so it's not a stretch to imagine explaining the same things to an ad hoc group.

Did I read correctly that you've never done the sort of public gaming I'm speaking about? Or are you saying that you used to, and now no longer do so?

No disagreement that there is a GM's responsibility, but I'm more interested in knowing the answer to the first two questions.

1 minute ago, themensch said:

Did I read correctly that you've never done the sort of public gaming I'm speaking about? Or are you saying that you used to, and now no longer do so?

I have never done so. Were you only speaking about public gaming? My impression was gaming in general.

I have no stakes in this conversation, but it's irritating me, so...

1 minute ago, Blackbird888 said:

I have no stakes in this conversation, but it's irritating me, so...

This topic is indeed getting a bit old. Time to move on.

1 hour ago, whafrog said:

I have never done so. Were you only speaking about public gaming? My impression was gaming in general.

I was specifically referring to public gaming with people I'd only just met, but it kinda took on a life of its own there. I would agree it's not really necessary to put it out there in most cases.

51 minutes ago, Yaccarus said:

This topic is indeed getting a bit old. Time to move on.

Aw, you don't need our permission to x-card outta here.

9 hours ago, whafrog said:

OMG I can't stand it. Whatever happened to:

• a) respect for differences
• b) open clear dialogue when your differences haven't been respected

? Surely those are all the tools you need. Instead people have to rely on props to get them through a social encounter? WeeeaaaaK.

We need... safe words for role-playing now...?

Goddam, I feel old.

I don't think need ever really came into the discussion. It's a GMing tool like any other, really. Will be suitable in some situations, unsuitable in others.

29 minutes ago, Maelora said:

We need... safe words for role-playing now...?

Goddam, I feel old.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! You cussed!!! You broke a commandant!!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Where's my playdough? Where's my safe space?!?! I'm not listening! I'm not listening!!! Lalalalala!

17 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

Ah, it's not just that black people's problems have no place in RPGs, it's that black people aren't even real.

So it all comes down to racism, huh. What a surprise.

Nice try.

Couple things, I never said any such thing about black people's problems having no place in RPGs or that black people aren't real, so you're just slandering and antagonizing now for which I will be reporting you.

My issue with my post is I think he is someone else who hasn't got the guts to post under his regular avatar, has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with guts or a lack thereof...

Oh, and he never said he was black, he called himself a "person of color" I paid attention, but here you are calling him black, almost like you know.......hmmmmmm

16 minutes ago, 2P51 said:

Nice try.

Couple things, I never said any such thing about black people's problems having no place in RPGs or that black people aren't real, so you're just slandering and antagonizing now for which I will be reporting you.

My issue with my post is I think he is someone else who hasn't got the guts to post under his regular avatar, has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with guts or a lack thereof...

Oh, and he never said he was black, he called himself a "person of color" I paid attention, but here you are calling him black, almost like you know.......hmmmmmm

Once again trying to wiggle out of responsibility for your words.

1 hour ago, Stan Fresh said:

Ah, it's not just that black people's problems have no place in RPGs, it's that black people aren't even real.

So it all comes down to racism, huh. What a surprise.

Just because you want to express your outrage doesn't mean there's actual racism present. The problem here is entirely in your perceptions and in your desire to escalate by (mis)playing the racism cry.

13 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

Just because you want to express your outrage doesn't mean there's actual racism present. The problem here is entirely in your perceptions and in your desire to escalate by (mis)playing the racism cry.

The one time a dude identifies as a racial minority he's accused of being a fake and having fake problems. But there's certainly no reflexive, ingrained, unacknowledged racism here, no sir, not at all.

On 9/27/2017 at 11:56 AM, HappyDaze said:

While the OP makes a point that it's sometimes hard to accept non-humans as main characters, i have to wonder about the possibility that humans are the first choice of lazy/bad roleplayers. Sure, its easy to think that stereotyped aliens will be a sign of a bad roleplayer, but "being a human playing a human like a human" is really the ultimate in creative slacking, right?

I haven't run a game set in the Star Wars universe yet, but after four different D&D campaigns, four of the player characters have been humans, and only one of them has been at all thought out. That population distribution would be drastically different if I included the 40k game I ran this summer, but since the closest thing to an alien you can play in there is just a funky-looking human, I don't think that quite counts.

On 9/28/2017 at 0:51 PM, 2P51 said:

I've noticed my snarky setting increases when you're around.............I should go review the infinite backpack thread for some corroborating evidence............

Infinite backpack? Please, tell me more about this infinite backpack of yours. Would one be capable of holding infinite grenades within this infinite backpack?

1 hour ago, Stan Fresh said:

The one time a dude identifies as a racial minority he's accused of being a fake and having fake problems. But there's certainly no reflexive, ingrained, unacknowledged racism here, no sir, not at all.

And gets jumped on in a way that would actually justify a regular making an account to post their reasonable point.

I would prefer that this community which is usually so helpful and positive doesn't have this thread infect others. (Nothing against particular posters or particular sides of an argument - but things have got a little heated here)

On 10/1/2017 at 1:55 AM, Norr-Saba said:

saying simply that all humans in an expansive galaxy have the exact same culture that conveniently enough lines up exactly with white american culture is not only lazy, it borders on offensive

Not sure I follow this. Could you give me a few examples of human culture as portrayed in Star Wars which is specifically reflective of white American culture?

I honestly think everyone needs to chill the **** out starting from now. 10 deep breaths, then think about responding.

Alien cultures: In all honesty it's not that hard to be different or similar. This is a galaxy where a large number of species has co-existed for thousands of years, thus being of a particular species matters less. Skin colour, aside from the movies bias toward casting roles (which in the OT is more of the limitations of the time then hard fact, which was almost non-existant by the time PT rolled around) meant effectively nothing, indeed species isn't a huge limiting factor within the alliance with various species representing various roles within the alliance with no obvious signs of the species being anything other then a different skin colour. This is a marked contrast to the empire being indicated to be entirely pro-human, which may or may not have been a product of species discrimination back then, or whether the empire as it existed just consisted entirely of humans and had succeeded in seizing the galaxy which was only expanded on with later literature.

As such, unless it was the empire, there didn't seem to be any bias within star wars that indicated that anyone, droids excluded (who weren't really treated as equals to begin with.) As such, there is less of a culture shock between various species who seem to act a great deal like one another; thus the species would be a matter of flavour.

That being said, thanks to the EU and other expanded material there is the option to make species culture more prevalent and defining characteristics. One of my PC's is a Rodian that, often as a method of unwinding, writes awful poetry and fiction inspired by their use of poetry that was referenced as a distraction to their hunting ways. Otherwise he behaves much like any over sentient creature; though more recently he adopted a hunting mentality for elaborate heists in which to rob the empire of their resources. Unlike most Rodians, he has never been a bounty hunter, but always a outlaw.

My other PC, a Trandosian known as to Travok went to "maths school" and is a genius within the trandosian family for being able to count above 6, he took the entire cultural aspect of "obtaining a quiver" and hunting prey by becoming a ruffless corporate suit that was rumoured to literally dined on the competition, sentient or not (at least that was the rumour. Just most people that fall foul of his temper are usually never seen again). As such he is usually an effective nagosatior by treating it as his ancestors would treat a hunting ground, lay a trap, identify their interests and learn the habits of the prey, before presenting superficial exotic items (Greased palms) to win their heart, then slay them with a final deal. He joined the alliance largely because the empire confiscated all his assets, though over time he became more emphatic other species. "well they might not be an alpha, but at least they have the hearts of one".

Really, being a member of a particular species only matters as much as what one is willing to invest into it. At the end of the day the star wars universe is a casual universe that is designed to be understood quickly with broad generalisations. As such they really shouldn't be treated that much greatly unless it is one of their defining traits; even then there are members of that species that defy expectations. That and the character is only as colourful as the player makes out to be; at the end of the day even the most exciting concept could be dull and visa versa, at the end of the day if we were truly wanting to write the next novel epic; well, we would be in the wrong business. *wink*

2 hours ago, LordBritish said:

I honestly think everyone needs to chill the **** out starting from now. 10 deep breaths, then think about responding.

The lungless Gand find this deeply offensive.

4 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

The lungless Gand find this deeply offensive.

There no lungless Gand here...

Unless you brought them with you.

Just now, Yaccarus said:

There no lungless Gand here...

Unless you brought them with you.

I'm just progressing today's theme: soon it'll be hip to get meaninglessly outraged over the plight of imaginary aliens.

7 hours ago, Maelora said:

We need... safe words for role-playing now...?

Goddam, I feel old.

Well, need is a strong word. But yeah, seems like some folks do. Like I said, not my idea but as I've gotten older I've realized not everyone's like me and they're all trying to make their way in the world. I can abide. I'm sure the hammer makers were super mad when someone came up with screws and screwdrivers, too, but in the end most toolboxes have both.

7 hours ago, 2P51 said:

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! You cussed!!! You broke a commandant!!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Where's my playdough? Where's my safe space?!?! I'm not listening! I'm not listening!!! Lalalalala!

And that's what would get you kicked from the table, seems pretty simple to me!

15 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

I'm just progressing today's theme: soon it'll be hip to get meaninglessly outraged over the plight of imaginary aliens.

#AlienLivesMatter

15 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

I'm just progressing today's theme: soon it'll be hip to get meaninglessly outraged over the plight of imaginary aliens.

Isn't that what started this whole discussion?