Can the Perfect Gift deck someone?

By Bronze, in Legend of the Five Rings: The Card Game

As far as I can see, it probably shouldn't. If you draw beyond the amount of cards in your deck then you would suffer the honor loss. However, the Perfect Gift is a reveal on the top 4 cards of your deck.

So, the question here is that if your opponent or yourself have 3 cards left in their deck and someone plays A Perfect Gift, do they suffer the honor loss?

I assume that since A Perfect Gift doesn't draw(it reveals the top 4 cards) the top 4 cards, that it falls under the condition under the rules where the target would simply just reveal as many cards as they can and draw from that instead. The reveal part of the card shouldn't deck someone. Of course if there weren't any cards left at all, the draw part might not be able to deck them either since they couldn't draw one if a card doesn't exist.

Edited by Bronze

Only if they have just 1 card left in their deck.

Revealing doesn't equate drawing.

6 hours ago, Joe From Cincinnati said:

Only if they have just 1 card left in their deck.

Even then, you only rebuild your deck and suffer the honor loss when you would draw from an empty deck, not when you run out.

No, never. If an effect targets multiple cards in deck and there are not that many cards, simply target as many as you can. If you have 1 card left in deck and someone plays Perfect Gift, you reveal only one.

Under effects in the RR:

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When a non-targeting effect attempts to engage a number of entities (such as “search the top 10 cards of your conflict deck”) that exceeds the number of entities that currently exist in the specified game area, the effect engages as many entities as possible.

This is consistent with 'do as much as you can'.

I think Inquisitor nailed it, but to add another bit, this is from the RR entry on Reveal:

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While a card is revealed, it is still considered to be located
in the game area (such as a player’s hand or deck) from
which it is revealed.

The cards are still in your deck and the honor loss only triggers if "no cards remain in the deck".

17 hours ago, DarwinsDog said:

the honor loss only triggers if "no cards remain in the deck".

Not even. It happens when you need to take a card from an empty deck (refilling a province or drawing a card). So even if you give someone their last card with Perfect Gift, they don't lose honor yet.