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Manaroo nerf

It did continue to see action after Manaroo nerf...

My guess is Nym happened (and high PS alpha strikes to some degree).

It doesn’t have Sabine?

1 minute ago, Calibri Garamond said:

It did continue to see action after Manaroo nerf...

The Nerf did seem to impact it slightly, but it still saw lots of play, I remember all the complaint threads on these forums. Then it just seemed to vanish overnight...

The same thing that happens to all things.

It faded away into obscurity and Oblivion.

Parattanni (in the form of Ventress, Fenn, and Manny) took a big enough hit with the Manny nerf that slotting something else in Manny's place felt viable. It didn't totally go away, but you did see people try it with a Contracted scout, Palob, even Inaldra for a beefier Ventress. I think the main reason we don't see it much currently is that the current situation with bombs has made even Fenn's damage output not enough to overcome his fragile nature. I don't think people have yet to find a reasonable replacement for him yet.

Nym > Fenn, basically. Without Fenn to deal the damage, Parattani isn't that good.

But it's still in the top 20 lists according to Metawing, so actually... not a lot really.

Nym beats Fenn everytime. Fenn use to be scariest thing on the table. Now Nym just laughs in his face and If Fenn is up against any Nym list, you basically just gave your opponent 32pts.

Parattanni is still strong, its just that THE ship in the meta right now is Fenns super hard counter. PS10 with bombs and adv sensors and ABT.

It's still around and raising **** in modified form, but is less common due to Nym-the-new-hotness, no training wheels with the Manaroo nerf, and I suspect the rumored-but-not-confirmed Attanni FAQ may have dampened a few.

If you dodge Captain Nyms, Parattanni is still 100% one of the best lists out there, if not the best.

Even against Captain Nym you have a good chance if you play cautiously with Fenn and let Asajj and the scout do the main work. Fenn is good vs most Nym companions. It's definitely underplayed though in the current meta, I guess most players are too scared bring Fenn with so much Nym around.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

Nym > Fenn, basically. Without Fenn to deal the damage, Parattani isn't that good.

But it's still in the top 20 lists according to Metawing, so actually... not a lot really.

This.

Anyway, I'm not sure why Manaroo just left the scene. She still pretty good, she only need to expose a bit and of course you can't play her in the Dengaroo way. But she is not useless in my opinion.

10 minutes ago, Cerve said:

Anyway, I'm not sure why Manaroo just left the scene. She still pretty good, she only need to expose a bit and of course you can't play her in the Dengaroo way. But she is not useless in my opinion.

Nope, once it’s nerfed it’s no good, time to drop that ho. Restricted to a specific range? How dare they! Are netlisters supposed to learn formation flying now? You ask too much FFG, too much!

The spoiled Attanni Mindlink nerf is also a factor - a lot of players expected the nerf to hit before Nationals and so went searching for alternative lists so they wouldn't be left high and dry.

So basically everybody found something new to complain about? ?

9 minutes ago, Jabberwock150 said:

So basically everybody found something new to complain about? ?

people will eventually get bored of anything

(except complaining)

4 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

Nope, once it’s nerfed it’s no good, time to drop that ho. Restricted to a specific range? How dare they! Are netlisters supposed to learn formation flying now? You ask too much FFG, too much!

I know right, I mean it's precisely that. Sometimes a good faq pop out, getting balance to a pretty strong combination, and that lost all his appeal, isn't it? I mean, check this:

Protectorate Starfighter: · Fenn Rau (28)
Attanni Mindlink (1)
Autothrusters (2)
Concord Dawn Protector (1)
Protectorate Starfighter: · Old Teroch (26)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autothrusters (2)
Concord Dawn Protector (1)
JumpMaster 5000: · Manaroo (27)
Attanni Mindlink (1)
Hull Upgrade (3)
K4 Security Droid (3)
Unhinged Astromech (1)
-- TOTAL ------- 97p. --

So we have Old Teroch on PS9 now, wich will be even better for him to positiong himself and trigger his ability, than before. You will fly it with Manaroo: he needs to be at range 1 to his opponent, and Manaroo needs to be at range 1 to him. You will run her as a bumper, with Old Teroch flying around her. She will get Focus+TL, she will pass it on Teroch, boosting him, and Mindlink will boost Fenn Rau for free.

You still get Focus for all the ships, you get a PS9 Teroch, and you still get a nible Fenn Rau that will fly wherever he want. Hey, you can even forget VI, drop the Hull Upgrade and setting one Protectorate with AM and the other one just with PTL. You will have a PS7 Teroch (as before), but a major cover speaking in action economy. And flying Manaroo at range will be not so difficult I guess. Plus, losing her will not compromise your game: one of your Protectorate still be indipendent (PTL).

I mean, this list is out only for the meta, not for the errata. Yeah it's a bomb meta so the Protectorate still struggle (but will come back after the Miranda nerf: you can manage Nym as a single bomber, it's bombs dropped directly on your head the real pain in the ***).

And the Parattanni? That list fly in formation even more than the double protectorates, it's pretty easy to get Manaroo in range 1. Ok, the nerf limits you, sure but, c'mon: we still manage AB turrets on the Ghost and we can't manage the Manaroo ability? It still a JM5K, it still pretty agile.

The problem is that Fenn Rau is out for now. The odds to get a Miranda/Nym are against him, adv. Slam just killed any 4hp< ace in the game. Nym just add some potential, but Miranda is the key.

The new parattani with Dengar Fenn and Inaldra isn't all that great against PS 10 Nym that can bomb you no matter what.

3 hours ago, Cerve said:

I know right, I mean it's precisely that. Sometimes a good faq pop out, getting balance to a pretty strong combination, and that lost all his appeal, isn't it? I mean, check this:

Protectorate Starfighter: · Fenn Rau (28)
Attanni Mindlink (1)
Autothrusters (2)
Concord Dawn Protector (1)
Protectorate Starfighter: · Old Teroch (26)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autothrusters (2)
Concord Dawn Protector (1)
JumpMaster 5000: · Manaroo (27)
Attanni Mindlink (1)
Hull Upgrade (3)
K4 Security Droid (3)
Unhinged Astromech (1)
-- TOTAL ------- 97p. --

So we have Old Teroch on PS9 now, wich will be even better for him to positiong himself and trigger his ability, than before. You will fly it with Manaroo: he needs to be at range 1 to his opponent, and Manaroo needs to be at range 1 to him. You will run her as a bumper, with Old Teroch flying around her. She will get Focus+TL, she will pass it on Teroch, boosting him, and Mindlink will boost Fenn Rau for free.

You still get Focus for all the ships, you get a PS9 Teroch, and you still get a nible Fenn Rau that will fly wherever he want. Hey, you can even forget VI, drop the Hull Upgrade and setting one Protectorate with AM and the other one just with PTL. You will have a PS7 Teroch (as before), but a major cover speaking in action economy. And flying Manaroo at range will be not so difficult I guess. Plus, losing her will not compromise your game: one of your Protectorate still be indipendent (PTL).

I mean, this list is out only for the meta, not for the errata. Yeah it's a bomb meta so the Protectorate still struggle (but will come back after the Miranda nerf: you can manage Nym as a single bomber, it's bombs dropped directly on your head the real pain in the ***).

And the Parattanni? That list fly in formation even more than the double protectorates, it's pretty easy to get Manaroo in range 1. Ok, the nerf limits you, sure but, c'mon: we still manage AB turrets on the Ghost and we can't manage the Manaroo ability? It still a JM5K, it still pretty agile.

The problem is that Fenn Rau is out for now. The odds to get a Miranda/Nym are against him, adv. Slam just killed any 4hp< ace in the game. Nym just add some potential, but Miranda is the key.

I feel that list would do better trading a Hull Upgrade for GC+Plasma+EM, and letting Manaroo pack a legit punch into the bargain, but your general point remains valid.

At the time Paratanni felt like a mountain of insurmountable power creep.

We now understand it was just the first base camp in our ascent.

Among all the cries of Nym and Manaroo's nerf, there's also the fact that it was out there long enough for people to know how to fight it. Every list, no matter how strong, will eventually fall to sheer experience. A helpful shove in terms of a timely nerf or release doesn't hurt either, but even in its hayday, there were plenty of people taking down that list through practice, and sharing experience.

Not true.

Nym... Better at bombing than even Miranda and can arc dodge even Fenn.

Maybe we will see a palobtani with Black Sun Aces after Guns for Hire

There are folks who really only want to play the new min/maxed hotness...when that shifts, so do they.