4 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

(Norell was actually on three votes...trying to hit the noob, trying to hit Cal, and then hammered Mads.)

Ebon was a joke vote, I explained it right under my vote. My vote on Caldias was based on some slight suspicion, and I'm still suspicious about him. But my top suspect is Visovics who eagerly jumped on the forming Caldias train and equally eager to switch to Mad. On the other side I waited for the last moment hoping that Mad would show up, but as he didn't I decided to hammer because we had to lynch someone.

2 hours ago, PodRacer said:

@Onidsen How was Mad suspicious enough for you?

He was quiet, which was out of character. He hadn't said much game related. And he had enough votes to challenge the Cal lynch. That was my reasoning then.

Going back over the thread now, I can articulate better what was bothering me (I didn't have time for in depth analysis when I voted).

The thing is, he wasn't that quiet. He had a lot of posts, especially at the beginning. Some of them were even genuinely helpful - answering questions from the new player, etc. The perfect type of play to make everyone think you're assertions and contributing without having to actually draw attention to yourself by voting and accusing others.

Turns out I was wrong. But, based on the information available then, I'd have done it again.

2 hours ago, PodRacer said:

And what have you seen of the reactions you looked for?

Opportunism, I think. JJ switches from his vote shortly after I vote. At that point, it could go either way between cal and mad.

Vis puts him at l- 1 without even realizing it (or so he says) but doesn't retract when he publicly realizes.

Norell hammers about an hour later.

All fast movement. I do think we ought to look at the last few votes closely.

@Norell what do you think about Onidsen's defense? What do you think about Visovics right now?

I personally think Onidsen is less suspicious than the other two (Norell and Vis). Here's why.

His reason for jumping on me was legit, it did seem like I was claiming, which wasn't a great move, and I should've realized how it would've looked. But he listened to my defense and shifted targets, and a scum player would probably just stick whatever townie he or she could kill and would've been just as happy killing me if he was scum.

Norell and Vis, though, come in super late to lay the hammer on Mad. Yeah, we needed a hammer, but they reek more as not caring who they kill than Onidsen. To me Onidsen seemed as though he was being cautious, and I don't read much scum behavior off his plays right now.

I could be mistaken though, and happy to hear other thoughts. Right now Vis is my number one, but I don't want to vote until we hear from him. I do think Norell's vote on Ebon was clearly a joke and shouldn't be read into too much.

11 minutes ago, Caldias said:

I personally think Onidsen is less suspicious than the other two (Norell and Vis). Here's why.

His reason for jumping on me was legit, it did seem like I was claiming, which wasn't a great move, and I should've realized how it would've looked. But he listened to my defense and shifted targets, and a scum player would probably just stick whatever townie he or she could kill and would've been just as happy killing me if he was scum.

Norell and Vis, though, come in super late to lay the hammer on Mad. Yeah, we needed a hammer, but they reek more as not caring who they kill than Onidsen. To me Onidsen seemed as though he was being cautious, and I don't read much scum behavior off his plays right now.

I could be mistaken though, and happy to hear other thoughts. Right now Vis is my number one, but I don't want to vote until we hear from him. I do think Norell's vote on Ebon was clearly a joke and shouldn't be read into too much.

Pretty much my read right now (You best not be scum)

Well, I had my suspicions on Caldias, at the moment that "vanilla" seemed like an opportunistic breadcrumb, which would be totally useless and unhelpful in this open setup. I went to the Mad train because I had not only miscounted the votes, but also 3 hours left in the clock in my morning, which would mean that many were likely to be asleep. Should I have risked the no-lynch and sticked to Caldias? Would have anyone joined in time for hammer? Those were not things I was willing to put at risk, so I shifted to the Mad vote

Catching up now...

After reading through the alibis given by Onidsen, Vis, and Norell, Norell's at the top of my list. His reasoning doesn't seem very thorough, and would make a classic cover for a scumvote ("I just had to make sure we got a lynch in, guys").

That being said, I'm not sure I believe any of them, so no certain vote yet.

7 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I cannot see how we do not examine the three that were hopping on both lynch trains: Oni, Norell and Vis.

Just noticed the irony in this post. CNinja was the first vote on Madaghmire within 5 minutes after I suggested it. Hmm. I know that being first on the lynch train is less suspicious than going last, but this eagerness still rings a few alarm bells to me.

Ideas? It would be good to hear some more from @JJs Juggernaut ...

1 minute ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:

Just noticed the irony in this post. CNinja was the first vote on Madaghmire within 5 minutes after I suggested it. Hmm. I know that being first on the lynch train is less suspicious than going last, but this eagerness still rings a few alarm bells to me.

Ideas? It would be good to hear some more from @JJs Juggernaut ...

Say what? I didn't vote Madaghmire.

1 minute ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:

Just noticed the irony in this post. CNinja was the first vote on Madaghmire within 5 minutes after I suggested it. Hmm. I know that being first on the lynch train is less suspicious than going last, but this eagerness still rings a few alarm bells to me.

Ideas? It would be good to hear some more from @JJs Juggernaut ...

Wrong!

I was the very first. CNinja didn't vote Mad.

However he agree with you but kept his vote. Like: well my scummates are already on that so yeah but I am fine here.

Also, @ImperialCaptain2017 that is the 2nd "mistake" on me you make (earlier confusing me with JJ.)

What gives?

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Wrong!

I was the very first. CNinja didn't vote Mad.

However he agree with you but kept his vote. Like: well my scummates are already on that so yeah but I am fine here.

More like, It is 10:30 and Caldias WAS the one with the most votes on him...I go to bed, and Pod starts the lynch train. Not blaming Pod, I'm just fascinated that I'm at fault for it.

3 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Also, @ImperialCaptain2017 that is the 2nd "mistake" on me you make (earlier confusing me with JJ.)

What gives?

Gah...I really need to pay more attention. Excuse me while I eat my words.

Okay, this has been a very interesting turn of events. I'm just letting you guys know I'm going to be very quiet the next few IRL days. I have projects to finish tonight/tomorrow, then I'll be on the road 16 hours over the weekend as well as being out in the "wilderness" during that time. Depending on who drives, I might be able to check during driving time or in the evening.

Now back to the game. As I said earlier, I didn't have a strong feeling about Mad, but I think the vote on him did give us a good place to start. The last few votes are always the most suspicious. Out of the final four votes on Mad (Oni, myself, Vis, and Norell), I'm most suspicious of Vis and Norell. Oni is reading very town to me, though I don't think we have ever seen him as a scum player yet? I think Vis's play seems the most opportunistic and so I'm going to put my vote on him for now.

##vote Visovics

As for the night kill on Ebon, that was rather unexpected. I has some suspicions about him, so it seems weird scum would go for a kill on him, unless they are trying to throw some shade on to me...speaking of which, ImpCap seemed to have suggested that already. Then he goes and asks for my input, something about that just feels slightly off to me. I just looked again, I totally forgot he was also in on the Mad vote. What do you have to say about that Imp?

Long day at work, but have been watching and been reading and re-reading the thread combing for things I dont like the feel of.

As things stand I was leaning Vis.

I didnt like the 'not another no lynch like last D1' post, considering the huge difference in the setups

But..

Norells reaction to Vis since then seems a bit disproportionate, considering they're in similar boats on the mad train, As if he trying really hard to sell Vis down the river.

I am fairly certain theres scum in this duo somewhere, and will be keeping my eyes open 2moro.

>> JJ posts>> whilst im typing

Hes agreeing with the vis read and voting on it, I dont think its a bad call, and if you are short of time it makes sense toget a vote out. @JJs Juggernaut as your here, Im wondering how much Norells input affected your choice of vote?

1 hour ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

ImpCap seemed to have suggested that already. Then he goes and asks for my input, something about that just feels slightly off to me. I just looked again, I totally forgot he was also in on the Mad vote. What do you have to say about that Imp?

Well, to clarify, I started the Mads vote (on a crazy hypothesis right before I went to bed).

As for you, JJ, I was curious about the EbonHawk thing that you brought up in your post, and you answered my question. You said that scum were throwing shade on you by killing him. However, from our perspective (or at least from mine) it could look like you or an ally of yours killed him to keep us off your trail. Just saying that it can seem that way...

Why would killing Ebon accomplish that? If anything it draws attention to his arguments.

Pod, it wasn't so much Norell's input, as it was the fact that a scum would probably be less likely to stick their neck out and be the last vote, especially when at that point Norell had to either choose Mad or cause a no-vote. Vis on the other hand, swapped to the Mad train while the Cal wagon might still have been an option.

8 hours ago, Caldias said:

Norell and Vis, though, come in super late to lay the hammer on Mad. Yeah, we needed a hammer, but they reek more as not caring who they kill than Onidsen.

Here I am guilty as charged. I preferred if we had killed Caldias back then but I consideredlynching an innocent to be better than not lynching anybody. If time would't have been short I would have sticked to my vote on Cal.

@CaribbeanNinja answering your question I don't consider Oni to be a scum at the moment. His concern sounded genuine and in accordance with mine, that's why I vozed on Cal. I am still very suspicious about Vis though. He really jumped casually from one train to the next without too much reasoning.

Sidenote: I'm still confused about the killing of Ebon. Scum shouldn't randomly kill people so there must be a reason. At first I thought that the kill may keep us in the darkness for not being able to read too much out of it. But what if he was killed because he was a threat to the scum? He's supposed to be a good friend of Pod. What if Pod is scum ahd he was afraid Ebon could tell from his behavior that something isn't right?

41 minutes ago, Norell said:

Scum shouldn't randomly kill people so there must be a reason

When I was scum, N1 we went random

5 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

I think Vis's play seems the most opportunistic and so I'm going to put my vote on him for now.

I made notes, next time the game has 3 hours to go and it's time where people are normally asleep I should leave as it is and see if 2 people will come in and swing the votes.

Ok, im going to

##vote Norell

Because I think hes part of the scum team looking to boost the current sense of confusion town are feeling.

I might have been able to hold off longer but that last part of his post is pure fantasy.

Ebons reads were JJ, cal and impcap no?

JJ is right about you being able to ensure the nolynch true, but its just as likely you would act town in that spot for credability. There's a chance the two of you are aligned based on the voting of Ebon, How random is RVS voting anyway? Its a great tool for Scum intention signalling IMO

Cal has made a bold play, but its well within towns remit to figure his alignment out and act accordingly,so im not gonna focus too much energy trying to get cal bactracking again. He will likely meet his demise overnight or on D3 depending on his story checking out.

Imp cap seems genuine town to me, not even sure where i would begin to look into his content. Fruedian slips maybe, it what im assuming just now. Dont recall ebon giving too much away on imp cap but i will go back and read once more anyway. At least hes asking questions instead of making accusations based on no evidence whatsoever. I have no reasons to disbelieve imp caps intention are true.

10 Players, 6 to hammer:

1. @JJs Juggernaut
2. @CaribbeanNinja (1) ovinomanc3r
3. @Visovics - (1) JJ
4. @Norell - (1) Pod
5. @ImperialCaptain2017
6. @Onidsen
7. @TheToad
8. @ovinomanc3r
9. @PodRacer
10. @Caldias (1) TheToad

The other thing thats seeming a bit off to me...

@ovinomanc3r whats happened to the meme machine from last game, you seem really quiet here...

8 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

The other thing thats seeming a bit off to me...

@ovinomanc3r whats happened to the meme machine from last game, you seem really quiet here...

No fisherman, no spice adict. No weird things to joke about this game.

But if you want my thoughts I will give you.

1. You killed Ebon cause it is fun to see him IRL and laugh at his face.

2. Vis or Norell jumped in the Mad's wagon to be sure a town died.

3. CNinja or Toad kept on Cal to avoid being all the three scum in the sure a me place.

I voted CNinja cause he talked about Ebon's death being weird. But Toad could keep his vote on Cal today just seem he truly believes Cal is scum. I cannot be sure but that's are my thoughts.

6 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

1. You killed Ebon cause it is fun to see him IRL and laugh at his face

The imagery made me chuckle! But I can assure you quite the opposite is true .

I was ready to have a game off to re charge the mafia batteries, but joined up to support ebon on his debut.

If i was that sick of a puppy I dont kill him N1.

Im backing his play because i trust his(ebon) judgement. And fully support looking into his reads.

Just so y'all know, I'll be away for a bit today...be back ASAP