1 hour ago, ovinomanc3r said:

That's the problem! Pod claimed Cop before you said you investigated me. You knew he was scum 200%. With a little piece of empathy you had to agree my plan and vote Pod but which cares about that now? It was fun and I like the open setup. It makes the game more deductive instead of just "I have a feeling".

Logical fallacy. Knowing Pod was lying about being the cop does not equate to knowing he is scum. While the chance was extremely high (99.99%), there is no certainty. This is my point. So my argument about going after my only "known" scum (you) was logical. The part were it fell apart was if town decided to follow your (correct) plan and go for Pod.

7 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

Logical fallacy. Knowing Pod was lying about being the cop does not equate to knowing he is scum.

Then you, he or both have a serious problem.

Well I guess I'll just give up trying to clear up misconceptions by explaining how my brain works...

3 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Then you, he or both have a serious problem.

I think he means that you have to consider the tiny possibility that Pod might have been town fake claiming to save the real cop. Incredibly unlikely, but as it is possible, you cannot state with 100% certainty that it is not so.

Also: aren't you GMing the next one?

12 hours ago, PodRacer said:

Would a more experienced player like a co-mod in the next one so i can pick up a few hints and tips?

I'll help.

If we've run out of GMs I have a setup buried somewhere in my docs...

51 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I think he means that you have to consider the tiny possibility that Pod might have been town fake claiming to save the real cop. Incredibly unlikely, but as it is possible, you cannot state with 100% certainty that it is not so.

Also: aren't you GMing the next one?

I'll help.

I understood what he said perfectly. He bases his 99.99% (if that kind of things are measurable) on Pod being highly illogical/stupid. But counting with that unlikely chance to lynch me before Pod, he was ignoring the unlikely chance of you being highly illogical/stupid to say him I was scum when I was not. And I think an honest mistake is even more probable. He just made a choice and I can call him incoherent about his reasons to doubt about Pod being scum cause he didn't doubt about you switching roles by error.

Again I understand what he says I just say it was 100% scum to say Pod was 99.99% scum. Cause otherwise I would have been 99.99% too and he didn't say that.

But is 100% obvious he sold his lie better than my true.

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I understood what he said perfectly. He bases his 99.99% (if that kind of things are measurable) on Pod being highly illogical/stupid. But counting with that unlikely chance to lynch me before Pod, he was ignoring the unlikely chance of you being highly illogical/stupid to say him I was scum when I was not. And I think an honest mistake is even more probable. He just made a choice and I can call him incoherent about his reasons to doubt about Pod being scum cause he didn't doubt about you switching roles by error.

Again I understand what he says I just say it was 100% scum to say Pod was 99.99% scum.

Well, I guess we must disagree. Personally, I would have done what he did. Lynch the guy I investigated, and thus have no doubts about, then investigate/lynch the guy who is most likely but not definitely scum.

5 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Well, I guess we must disagree. Personally, I would have done what he did. Lynch the guy I investigated, and thus have no doubts about, then investigate/lynch the guy who is most likely but not definitely scum.

He did not that. He voted Imp, who he didn't investigate. Incoherences everywhere!

And Imp fake claiming being town was more logical than Pod's fake claim. He could was trying to mislead the scum when they await for the cop to claim.

6 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I'll help.

thanks Nip, im going to have a read of the wiki, see what questions arise

Just now, PodRacer said:

thanks Nip, im going to have a read of the wiki, see what questions arise

Feel free to PM me anytime. I may be a bit late in responding (you recall the issues I had starting/ending some days), but hopefully not too late. Are you next, or is @ovinomanc3r ? He gave up his slot to me, and I do not know if he wants to be next.

At the moment, it is ovi, you, and then @Norell , if he still wants to.

Il probably stick to an m6 style for my first try whilst the mad setup takes shape.

Dont think im front of the Queue, id like to observe the next ideally, then mod after

In which case, moding schedule is:

@ovinomanc3r

@PodRacer

@Norell

For the next three games.

17 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

He did not that. He voted Imp, who he didn't investigate. Incoherences everywhere!

And Imp fake claiming being town was more logical than Pod's fake claim. He could was trying to mislead the scum when they await for the cop to claim.

I only switched from you to Imp After town was making it clear that was what they wanted. I stated several times I would vote for any of the three (you, Pod, or Imp), but I preferred you because of the 100% certainty.

And for the record, I was 100% certain about you because I "investigated" you, I shouldn't have had doubts...

We can argue this all day, but my logic was consistent on this point (I admit to other flaws you caught, but didn't convince town of)

Not sure what the discussion is. JJs fake cop play was fine. It was D1 he got badly wrong.

Cals play was fine except he was associated with Pod.

Pods play was fine till he made the worst post this year.

I been planning this all week son =)

The first 3/5 set up by imp and Ovi Was a crucial point, setup really well and was the closest you came to outing us all, I was slowly unravelling there, but Cal stepped up, ninja asks'why are you so town' or similar. JJ stayed low and eventually it just ran the clock down, Town should be bombarding us with questions, and finding the inconsistencies. I dont remeber even talking to or being asked anything by Norrell Imp or Ovi,during the entire investigation period.

No one produced anything concrete from that, and once it dissolved the evidence provided by the next round of voting can be made to look like Ovi imp and Pod are in cahoots trying to kill JJ,

(actually scum are weak here, we had decided we would vote on each other, but not close out when it was avoidable, So JJ really was calling me SCUM!) Cal saved us by seconds, I had hit submit on my vote just as the notification came in there, it was simultaneous

If your town and even half believe the cop, vote, be damned the consequence. (maybe not the 3rd cop!)

Ninja says dont vote there, and dont vote the next day... giving us the full 48 to spin a yarn. **** ninja why do you always want to control the voting?? SEEMS scummy to me! Taking the Turbo off the table at the start of day hurt town. Everything would be judged harshly, no heart on sleeve voting allowed again. Bad for town. Ovi tried so hard to get you on board with his thinking, Rightly so. You made him try so hard that again it could be spun as him desperately trying to pocket you.

Ovi could/should have spent that time Clearing the toad as well.

Toad should have been on my case since the start asking why I was playing differently. When im not banging his door every five minutes for answers, its definately scummy =) Playing the victim during the 3/5 was fatal, No one can clear you as town after that which meant on the last day I think you were the only one who knew your alignment, everyone else was still guessing on you.

The 'Hail mary' was Viable and a product of everything I had observed so far on Toad and Ninja Over a few games, It was my best chance of getting one of those votes, and once Ninja gave the no turbo sign, I didn't need to wait for a greenlight. The rest is history, needed one, got both. Infected with a horrible case of Poditis... some of the worst ever delivered on this marvellous platform. =)

Could/should it have all fallen apart? maybe.- But it definately does that if I dont have a story to tell, No way I can look town all the last day and not lynch or out my buddies, lack of experience in general and as playing scum, So I used what I have been practicing... making my scumreads solid.

JJ was masterful considering the spot I'd put him in.

When he voted for Ovi I was crying with laughter, That was when I knew we had it. Game over.

I thought Cal might get Outed as a scum marine there last day. Went very quiet. Did He have to fly to a Party? was it a metaphor? Dont answer that Cal !! keep your mystery intact =)

Dont be too hard on them Gink. =) I give you a few games to train them up now before I return.

(although its now likely I dont survive the RVS when im back XD)

@ovinomanc3r Did you want run the next one?

@Norell did you find your setup doc?

If you both want to play I can have a go at modding, though I likely just re shuffle the current format and send you out again =)

Playing = fun

postmortems = no fun

Somebody start one already!

9 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

I been planning this all week son =)

The first 3/5 set up by imp and Ovi Was a crucial point, setup really well and was the closest you came to outing us all, I was slowly unravelling there, but Cal stepped up, ninja asks'why are you so town' or similar. JJ stayed low and eventually it just ran the clock down, Town should be bombarding us with questions, and finding the inconsistencies. I dont remeber even talking to or being asked anything by Norrell Imp or Ovi,during the entire investigation period.

No one produced anything concrete from that, and once it dissolved the evidence provided by the next round of voting can be made to look like Ovi imp and Pod are in cahoots trying to kill JJ,

(actually scum are weak here, we had decided we would vote on each other, but not close out when it was avoidable, So JJ really was calling me SCUM!) Cal saved us by seconds, I had hit submit on my vote just as the notification came in there, it was simultaneous

If your town and even half believe the cop, vote, be damned the consequence. (maybe not the 3rd cop!)

Ninja says dont vote there, and dont vote the next day... giving us the full 48 to spin a yarn. **** ninja why do you always want to control the voting?? SEEMS scummy to me! Taking the Turbo off the table at the start of day hurt town. Everything would be judged harshly, no heart on sleeve voting allowed again. Bad for town. Ovi tried so hard to get you on board with his thinking, Rightly so. You made him try so hard that again it could be spun as him desperately trying to pocket you.

Ovi could/should have spent that time Clearing the toad as well.

Toad should have been on my case since the start asking why I was playing differently. When im not banging his door every five minutes for answers, its definately scummy =) Playing the victim during the 3/5 was fatal, No one can clear you as town after that which meant on the last day I think you were the only one who knew your alignment, everyone else was still guessing on you.

The 'Hail mary' was Viable and a product of everything I had observed so far on Toad and Ninja Over a few games, It was my best chance of getting one of those votes, and once Ninja gave the no turbo sign, I didn't need to wait for a greenlight. The rest is history, needed one, got both. Infected with a horrible case of Poditis... some of the worst ever delivered on this marvellous platform. =)

Could/should it have all fallen apart? maybe.- But it definately does that if I dont have a story to tell, No way I can look town all the last day and not lynch or out my buddies, lack of experience in general and as playing scum, So I used what I have been practicing... making my scumreads solid.

JJ was masterful considering the spot I'd put him in.

When he voted for Ovi I was crying with laughter, That was when I knew we had it. Game over.

I thought Cal might get Outed as a scum marine there last day. Went very quiet. Did He have to fly to a Party? was it a metaphor? Dont answer that Cal !! keep your mystery intact =)

Dont be too hard on them Gink. =) I give you a few games to train them up now before I return.

(although its now likely I dont survive the RVS when im back XD)

@ovinomanc3r Did you want run the next one?

@Norell did you find your setup doc?

If you both want to play I can have a go at modding, though I likely just re shuffle the current format and send you out again =)

No I am not goig to run anything in a short term.

Here I pointed you before Norell claimed. I pointed JJ. You both were too obvious to me after Visovics dead. Cal played fine. I have to say that I didn't suspect about him more because he was about to be lynched at d1 than anything. The doubt was always there but I hope his dead would clear that. However Pod pointed to him with his claim and I waited to the night kill.

On 1/10/2017 at 10:29 PM, ovinomanc3r said:

Let's go.

1. We are not at LyLo. We can no vote. But I agree. We have a hard day.

2. I wouldn't lynch Norell. Even not being LyLo I think a dead cop worth lynching a scum. And the cop didn't talk yet. I let the choice to him but if we are goings to lynch an innocent and the cop knows he must talk cause otherwise we lose. Whatever, I won't vote Norell without a direct order.

3. Suspects and other thoughts:

After seeing the three non-Mad's-votes on Vis I am quite sure I was right about one scum being there. And I again blame all you for following scum's agenda. I said they were playing with us with the NorellvsVis thing and it seems I was right. But at least we have vote patterns. As I have said, CNinja, Toad and Cal, one of you is scum.

Another interesting thing is that JJ was on both wagons (with me) what should become him, and me, the scummiest player.

But what I find more interesting is the order of the votes.

Pod and JJ were the first, one per side. Onidsen (innocent) voted Visovics after. Imp, curiously, tied the thing voting Norell. If as it seems both were town, scum have no preference so they could play this kind of game. However as long as there is no difference, it would be better to avoid appear like defending a no-lynch. So better following the mainstream (Vis had two voted and CNinja already said he was going to vote him) so Imp's vote looks clean to me (not completely but more than any other but mine). Vis'vote is irrelevant now and the left fell on Vis with Norell not voting.

In a situation where scum were playing with to choices pushing wherever they needed (and it seems irrelevant where they did) the break vote (4th) was a bad place to hide themselves. That's vote was Cal (congratulations, you looks less scummy today). That let the other five positions (1,2,3, 5 and hammer).

Hammer is not a good place either but also has a good excuse but it doesn't matter here cause it was me.

Position 5. CNinja. That's is similar to hammer. The logic is just the opposite. It seems clean cause doesn't hammer but it is also a way to evade responsabilities.

Both positions are not awesome cause the thing could go 50-50 depending on the guts of the voters.

Position 2. Oni was innocent and I already talked about Imp.

Position 3. Hi Toad! Did you felt comfortable there? Vis was innocent and cannot vote someone else.

NOTE: I need to check which vote fell before.

Position 1. Here is the most interesting to me cause is a dammed good place. My theory says that scum planed to build a debate between Norell and Vis. And they would push wherever they needed. So, why not place the first votes and let the town choose. That's even more logic if both choices are town. The third scum could actually put his mouth wherever in a non-responsible position cause it doesn't matter at the end.

JJ and Pod as scum have quite sense to me. I could be undoubtedly wrong but that's what I look. As the third scum I woild say Toad.

JJ and Pod was on Mad. Toad was one who didn't.

I would need to check the thread again and look carefully the relations and interactions but from the votes that's what I read.

And that was my very first read about what was happening. And this time I also didn't mention my suspicious about everyone taking JJ as good just cause they would feel guilty if he got turbo lynched again.

On 29/9/2017 at 11:22 AM, ovinomanc3r said:

No fisherman, no spice adict. No weird things to joke about this game.

But if you want my thoughts I will give you.

1. You killed Ebon cause it is fun to see him IRL and laugh at his face.

2. Vis or Norell jumped in the Mad's wagon to be sure a town died.

3. CNinja or Toad kept on Cal to avoid being all the three scum in the sure a me place.

I voted CNinja cause he talked about Ebon's death being weird. But Toad could keep his vote on Cal today just seem he truly believes Cal is scum. I cannot be sure but that's are my thoughts.

5 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Playing = fun

postmortems = no fun

Somebody start one already!

With what happened here, a post-game feedback on what went wrong and how to fix is pretty useful, although I agree, THROW IN ANOTHER BOYS!!

So who is next? ovi isn't yet, right? @PodRacer said he will wait if I understand correctly. . . @Norell are you gonna run one? I could throw together another open set-up if you guys want (it won't be hard, I'll just choose another m6 row/column).

Or does somebody else want to go?

Im happy to try a basic one on my own, but i need to learn about the randomising of roles. What do you use?

10 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

Im happy to try a basic one on my own, but i need to learn about the randomising of roles. What do you use?

I use Excel random number generator.

This may work. Just enter the names of the players in order, 1 per line, hit 'Randomize', and it reorders them for you.

OK, what about setting up observers and scumchat?

16 hours ago, PodRacer said:

OK, what about setting up observers and scumchat?

Those have so far been Google docs, created in your Google drive and shared via the 'create link' option in the share choices.

Or you can use

https://www.quicktopic.com

And avoid the colour coding mayhem.