So here's what I think right now:
Impcap, Ovi, and Pod are our Goons.
I do think that at the end of the day, Ovi and Pod "put on a show" for us. They knew the lynch on JJ wasn't happening and they planned for the next day.
I'm just needing to understand the why of it. Why would that make sense?
1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:So here's what I think right now:
Impcap, Ovi, and Pod are our Goons.
I do think that at the end of the day, Ovi and Pod "put on a show" for us. They knew the lynch on JJ wasn't happening and they planned for the next day.
I'm just needing to understand the why of it. Why would that make sense?
You are wrong but I am really going to help you.
1. Imp and me knows each other. We are both town or both scum.
2. We also know you are town so we will trust you.
3. JJ and Pod cannot be both town so voting between them you will have at least a chance.
4. The claims and counter claims build a situation where voting between those two means 2/3 of getting a scum.
5. Imp and me will vote together so use it as an advantage for you no matter if we both are scum. We are two votes. And we are fine voting JJ or Pod it doesn't matter to us cause it means another day 100%
6. Choose JJ or Pod and we both will vote him, and we will do before you. You must be the last vote today.
7. JJ and Pod will agree with the plan cause for both it doesn't matter if they don't vote me as long as they vote each other. From their perspective the pairs are JJ-Me or Pod-Me so JJ will follow you if you choose Pod and vice versa.
This way you will have 3 votes + yours following your lead no matter if those votes are scum votes. With a 2/3 chance it is up to you.
@JJs Juggernaut ... who have you investigated again?
I feel the need to re emphasise that OVI, IMP CAP and JJ ARE the scum.
ovi only went on the warpath on D2, very keen to distance himself from the narrative, protesting his innocence (once hed chatted to the other two) He lead the charge with trying to vote ninja off, out of the blue.
Once impcap chimes in Ovi gets the green light to up the pressure on town. And we all proceed to stand on ceremony looking for scumtells in each others townplay. Nice work town. I dont wish to reveal myself under that kind of pressure but see the potential for Cal to be mislynched.
Ovi doesnt care If we lynch JJ, they had already accounted for that yesterday with the Gambit. JJ is piss3d at something, like I say I think he had me as the cop, maybe even before he revealed, but felt obliged to follow the pressure plan for me to reveal. Is now pissed because Ovi switched the vote. There's tension!
Once they miss the actual cop they know they've lost. But actually no one will believe Pod as cop anyway. So logically Ovi was right, eh JJ? thats an aftergame discussion for the observers lounge really. But I get you towing the line on me still. You were going to clear Ovi originally no?
Of course now ovi and imp are for sale to the highest bidder, willing to vote ANYBODY for the win. The Lynch on Me is a joke. JJ a safe vote. Dont let Ovi and impcap claim credit for that if its how we go. Scum are arguing in broad daylight, Town are really scratchin their butts.
In my heart of hearts I want Pod to be right...
1 hour ago, PodRacer said:I feel the need to re emphasise that OVI, IMP CAP and JJ ARE the scum.
ovi only went on the warpath on D2, very keen to distance himself from the narrative, protesting his innocence (once hed chatted to the other two) He lead the charge with trying to vote ninja off, out of the blue.
Once impcap chimes in Ovi gets the green light to up the pressure on town. And we all proceed to stand on ceremony looking for scumtells in each others townplay. Nice work town. I dont wish to reveal myself under that kind of pressure but see the potential for Cal to be mislynched.
Ovi doesnt care If we lynch JJ, they had already accounted for that yesterday with the Gambit. JJ is piss3d at something, like I say I think he had me as the cop, maybe even before he revealed, but felt obliged to follow the pressure plan for me to reveal. Is now pissed because Ovi switched the vote. There's tension!
Once they miss the actual cop they know they've lost. But actually no one will believe Pod as cop anyway. So logically Ovi was right, eh JJ? thats an aftergame discussion for the observers lounge really. But I get you towing the line on me still. You were going to clear Ovi originally no?
Of course now ovi and imp are for sale to the highest bidder, willing to vote ANYBODY for the win. The Lynch on Me is a joke. JJ a safe vote. Dont let Ovi and impcap claim credit for that if its how we go. Scum are arguing in broad daylight, Town are really scratchin their butts.
I don't care about credit. I just gave him another day and the security of his will accomplished.
Also I can add that Caldias is cleared too. That let 5 suspects (JJ Pod Imp Toad and me) with 3 scum between them and, curiously neither me or imp are able to get a third support. Hilarious.
Are you saying me that after being able to win this last day we want to give you another chance tomorrow? And all for the pleasure of bluffing?
I am not talking about what I really meant when I did this or that, I am not claiming nor counter claiming, I am not judging weird behaviours, the lack of memes or whatever. I am putting the numbers on the table anyone who looks to them carefully can see the true.
Whoah there..so this is what happens when I miss most of a day. Yikes.
1 hour ago, ovinomanc3r said:You are wrong but I am really going to help you.
1. Imp and me knows each other. We are both town or both scum.
2. We also know you are town so we will trust you.
3. JJ and Pod cannot be both town so voting between them you will have at least a chance.
4. The claims and counter claims build a situation where voting between those two means 2/3 of getting a scum.
5. Imp and me will vote together so use it as an advantage for you no matter if we both are scum. We are two votes. And we are fine voting JJ or Pod it doesn't matter to us cause it means another day 100%
6. Choose JJ or Pod and we both will vote him, and we will do before you. You must be the last vote today.
7. JJ and Pod will agree with the plan cause for both it doesn't matter if they don't vote me as long as they vote each other. From their perspective the pairs are JJ-Me or Pod-Me so JJ will follow you if you choose Pod and vice versa.
This way you will have 3 votes + yours following your lead no matter if those votes are scum votes. With a 2/3 chance it is up to you.
Well, this has become such a mess that I don't have much to say. Ovi's right about the situation we're in- it'll come down to a last throw of votes one way or another.
Pod, I have a question for you. If we have scumchat between Ovi, JJ, and myself, why the **** would JJ and I be arguing about who is the real cop and trying to get each other lynched? That would have to be crazy risky brilliant scumplay. Once again, I'm not that good at this game. Both you and JJ are creating elaborate conspiracy theories to divert suspicion away from yourselves and onto me. If anyone rings of having a crazy scumchat plan, it's you two clowns.
Here's where we stand as I see it:
Scum:
JJ, Pod, ?????
Town:
Ovi, Me (cop), CNinja, ?????
Unknown (one town, one goon):
Cal, Toad
Hopefully I didn't miss anyone.
I'll go for either JJ or Pod at this point- I just want a confirmed dead scum.
2 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:
Man, this turned into such a basket full of cats. I need to reread from the first cop claim on to get a better sense, but not sure I can get to that tonight, but I'll try since I'm flying to Texas at noon EST tomorrow. I will def be hopping on to vote before the end, though, as I'll have my phone.
I don't have a solid read on who all three scum are, but we for sure know that 2 of the 3 cops are lying, and that's the best odds we've had all game.
2 hours ago, TheToad said:@JJs Juggernaut ... who have you investigated again?
Night 1: Ninja, result was town. Night 2: Norell, result was town. Night 3: Ovi, result was scum
14 minutes ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:If we have scumchat between Ovi, JJ, and myself, why the **** would JJ and I be arguing about who is the real cop and trying to get each other lynched?
Its all a Plan based on a big gamble that you could kill the cop last night I think, even if it costs a goon to the lynch, the second cop Can still step up and look the genuine article next Day and you bag the town votes you need to get the mislynches in the following days. You're debating your imagined magical abilities to be town and Read people.
Either that or we No lynch. Votings not been everything it could have been so far, and you guys have cleverly moved around to avoid being perfectly aligned. Or conveniently always being in'town' slots on the vote, a theme scum really emphasized in this one.
Likely you had spotted I was the cop after my late night attempts to actually get a lynch on one of the 3 of you for information, I was tired and i was letting more cop breadcrumbs go.
Norell didnt believe the setup and chose the no lynch, Deciding he had a big reveal too, this must have been mistaken as the actual cop about to surface. A great little post to signal intent.
I think maybe the lynch changes here to the surprise of some later in the day who had likely said it was Pod. JJ has to accept his fate, but without having accomplished his mission to fool the town. Imp gets more cred because he fingered ovi and ninja and norell.
Jj and Ovi would have clearly liked to have voted ninja off at point during this one, but switched to a strategy where they would pocket him instead. Even if we had followed and lynched impcap last night, Ninja looks a guaranteed town read following in the vote, so say oni and JJ. Likewise, If we bag JJ in the lynch, Ninja still has a 'clean' vote and verification from the other cop. No pressure town!
Like I say. From scum POV, its no worse leaving me alive to try and explain all this. Than the risk of Norell being the cop and having answers too.
Id be a more believable liar than Imp & JJ And less likely to be a risk to scum if I was the cop There always that Pod doing Pod excuse.
2 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:Night 1: Ninja, result was town. Night 2: Norell, result was town. Night 3: Ovi, result was scum
^JJ’s investigations and results...
@ImperialCaptain2017 @PodRacer
Same question... who have you investigated and what were your results?
So between Ovi and Imp, I think lynching Ovi first is the correct move. I 100% know he is scum because of my investigation, and while it's a 99.99% chance Imp and Pod are the other scum, I don't have investigative proof. Tomorrow night I can either investigate one of those two to prove they are scum (though I might wind up dead since we are rallying against them); or I can investigate Toad or Cal to make sure they are town. That narrows the field down enough...ehh, on second thought I'm overthinking this. There is no way Pod, Imp and Ovi aren't the scum. We might as well lynch Imp first to prove I'm the cop, then even if they kill me it guarantees a town win.
1 hour ago, PodRacer said:
Its all a Plan based on a big gamble that you could kill the cop last night I think, even if it costs a goon to the lynch, the second cop Can still step up and look the genuine article next Day and you bag the town votes you need to get the mislynches in the following days. You're debating your imagined magical abilities to be town and Read people.
Either that or we No lynch. Votings not been everything it could have been so far, and you guys have cleverly moved around to avoid being perfectly aligned. Or conveniently always being in'town' slots on the vote, a theme scum really emphasized in this one.
Likely you had spotted I was the cop after my late night attempts to actually get a lynch on one of the 3 of you for information, I was tired and i was letting more cop breadcrumbs go.
Norell didnt believe the setup and chose the no lynch, Deciding he had a big reveal too, this must have been mistaken as the actual cop about to surface. A great little post to signal intent.
I think maybe the lynch changes here to the surprise of some later in the day who had likely said it was Pod. JJ has to accept his fate, but without having accomplished his mission to fool the town. Imp gets more cred because he fingered ovi and ninja and norell.
Jj and Ovi would have clearly liked to have voted ninja off at point during this one, but switched to a strategy where they would pocket him instead. Even if we had followed and lynched impcap last night, Ninja looks a guaranteed town read following in the vote, so say oni and JJ. Likewise, If we bag JJ in the lynch, Ninja still has a 'clean' vote and verification from the other cop. No pressure town!
Like I say. From scum POV, its no worse leaving me alive to try and explain all this. Than the risk of Norell being the cop and having answers too.
Id be a more believable liar than Imp & JJ And less likely to be a risk to scum if I was the cop There always that Pod doing Pod excuse.
And we magically forgot that there was the true cop just in the case we fail and lynched one of the two scum we brought to the main line.
11 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:So between Ovi and Imp, I think lynching Ovi first is the correct move. I 100% know he is scum because of my investigation, and while it's a 99.99% chance Imp and Pod are the other scum, I don't have investigative proof. Tomorrow night I can either investigate one of those two to prove they are scum (though I might wind up dead since we are rallying against them); or I can investigate Toad or Cal to make sure they are town. That narrows the field down enough...ehh, on second thought I'm overthinking this. There is no way Pod, Imp and Ovi aren't the scum. We might as well lynch Imp first to prove I'm the cop, then even if they kill me it guarantees a town win.
Yeah! Let's lynch Imp or Ovi. Even when it is also proved to you that Pod is scum too he looks better alive another night.
It seems I hurt you forcong to vote against a scum mate.
@CaribbeanNinja I gave you a way where you have 2/3 to lynch a scum (the best you will have from your perspective) being sure at the same time you control where 2/3 scum votes and the 3rd scum votes has no power. It works also for Cal. Look that neither JJ or Pod voted each other. It seemed Pod agreed but he charge against me ikstrad of JJ and JJ ask for a lynch on Imp.
That makes no sense...Pod did vote me, and I didn't vote him or you yesterday because I weren't sure you where both scum until today. Keep trying though...
7 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:That makes no sense...Pod did vote me, and I didn't vote him or you yesterday because I weren't sure you where both scum until today. Keep trying though...
That makes no sense... neither pod or you voted each other TODAY after knowing the other is scum.
No one has voted anyone today...you haven't voted me even though you "know" I'm scum. I haven't voted you even thought I know you are scum. Keep trying, the more you say, the more desperate you sound.
19 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:No one has voted anyone today...you haven't voted me even though you "know" I'm scum. I haven't voted you even thought I know you are scum. Keep trying, the more you say, the more desperate you sound.
I didn't vote cause I said I was going to vote what Cninja asked. Me and Imp are goings to vote together so we are a risk for both true town and true scum.
What I offered has all the sense. In that scenario I cannot vote until CNinja say me where I must put my vote. On the other hand, both you and Pod must to vote each other and hope CNinja didn't vote you.
JJ is also quite talkative today to be sure that voting Pod he would get a scum. Vote Pod! Get that scum killed and let's talk about "my lies" tomorrow. JJ is safe. I cannot kill him without discovering Imp right?
6 hours ago, TheToad said:^JJ’s investigations and results...
@ImperialCaptain2017 @PodRacer
Same question... who have you investigated and what were your results?
N1, Ovi because of lack of memes, came up town.
N2, Norell because of that whole mess with Vis, came up town.
N3, CNinja to see if his opinions from the last few days were trustworthy, came up town.
Hopefully this helps...
3 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:JJ is also quite talkative today to be sure that voting Pod he would get a scum. Vote Pod! Get that scum killed and let's talk about "my lies" tomorrow. JJ is safe. I cannot kill him without discovering Imp right?
If we kill Pod, we get a confirmed scum dead. That can buy us another day.
5 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:@CaribbeanNinja I gave you a way where you have 2/3 to lynch a scum (the best you will have from your perspective) being sure at the same time you control where 2/3 scum votes and the 3rd scum votes has no power. It works also for Cal. Look that neither JJ or Pod voted each other. It seemed Pod agreed but he charge against me ikstrad of JJ and JJ ask for a lynch on Imp.
You really didn't "give" me anything. The "cops" are doing that all by themselves. What do you have anything to do with it?
On that note, how is Cal cleared by you? If you believe in Imp Cap, then Pod and JJ are scum. What clears Cal?
N1 I cleared Cal, N2 onidsen for suggesting we lynch vis, N3 ovi after he clearly outed himself to me with his vote control, like I said, I had already worked out his alignment prior but got the read anyway for peace of mind.
Ovi we can't discuss your lies 2moro, game will end in a mis lynch. But you cleverly pushed my reveal back to lylo thus creating this fine mess. Like I said, town are down but not out. Scum might not have the position they intended, but they still look really strong, still just need 1 mis vote from town to win. Jj is likely more active anticipating a town slip up.
Theres no reason not to reveal 2 cops as scum, after I don't counterclaim imp cap immediately I left the door open for scum to counterclaim themselves, thus creating the scenario that I could be lynched today. As the town cop no less.
Town by right should not have even received the info they have, done properly it would just be four vanilla out here deciding to lynch toad or cal, based on their distrust.
Two problems I have:
No reason for Pod to reveal if he was true cop. We'd have fought over JJ or ImpCap and one would go.
Ovin too confident. True town wouldn't have his confidence (especially last day). Now I think he's "cleared" Cal by mistake.
Generally the two are really rambling.
There is a lot of rambling from all three. I looked back but couldn't find anything useful, although that could just be from my brain becoming cheese. I am also unsure as to how Ovi has cleared me, although he's right, I don't see the logic for it, personally. I will look more into Ovi's logic in a few hours after I get on this plane.