I just emptied my bank account getting my car fixed =) there go my wave 7 dreams =(
Yes- i was trying not to look like the most switched on townie in that moment
yes- and also to see if anyone would try and jump in without good cause
[Mafia] CorSec Training - DAY 3
2 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:Pod, explain why you wrote this knowing that Cal was vanilla.
was trying to get the point to toad that Cal was safe, without revealing myself.
In the hope Toad would focus on me or at least elsewhere. That applies to both those interactions with toad.
I was only reading Toad as town then, he could have had an agenda at that point that I didnt know of. I also wanted to to catch a scum N1, but toads suspicioin of Cal matched my own. Gutted that he flipped town, I was also having a little moan I suppose- telling him to dig deeper and not look for the obvious all the time.
Okay, so Pod is a second scum. If it weren't Pod I'd question the logic on him trying to claim cop, but sometime he is just Pod.
And the third scum is Ovi. I investigated Ovi last night, came back scum. Now all we need to do is lynch them.
6 minutes ago, PodRacer said:I just emptied my bank account getting my car fixed =) there go my wave 7 dreams =(
Yes- i was trying not to look like the most switched on townie in that moment
yes- and also to see if anyone would try and jump in without good cause
The thing is that you aligned Toad with CNinja, not JJ
And you voted Toad before he even voted Cal
4 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:Okay, so Pod is a second scum. If it weren't Pod I'd question the logic on him trying to claim cop, but sometime he is just Pod.
And the third scum is Ovi. I investigated Ovi last night, came back scum. Now all we need to do is lynch them.
Thanks JJ. You failed when you moved to a logic puzzle instead of following the shady inputs we got all the game.
CNjnja my next post are foing to be one of those you don't like. You are warned.
Now I need to let the things ready to tomorrow's national. Please don't turbo lynch for a while.
On 10/1/2017 at 9:11 PM, ImperialCaptain2017 said:Well...I guess a 3/5 chance is the best we're going to get, and I'm tired of hiding and shooting in the dark. May as well be helpful.
I'm the cop. Surprise!
I investigated Ovi and Norell, and they are both (vanilla) town. That means that our goons are somewhere in this group: CNinja, Cal, Pod, JJ, Toad.
Ideas? I tend to suspect Toad because of the novote call, but I'm open to other suggestions...
(BTW, I know that I have just signed my own death warrant, but I've been killed in every Mafia game I've ever played, so it's nothing new to me
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On 10/1/2017 at 10:13 PM, PodRacer said:Yeah, I don't have to ask much, I called that someone was trying it on when ebon died, I got told point blank that the scum had to be one of norell/oni/vis and I can see in hindsight what a fool I have been.
Apologies to Norell, still feels like you pushed on vis, I probably would have too in your situation.
##vote Toad
As for his lackeys.... I'm alive still, so perhaps ninja? cerebral maybe, lackey not so much. Hard to tell but town lean. I think maybe toad has been trying his art of war tricks on ninja.
Cal and his big breadcrumb that's gone un investigated. Have at it. Why didn't you investigate cal? @ImperialCaptain2017
JJ has been absent a lot, came up with the vis train when I couldn't see a reason for it. Quieter is usually scummier I'm told, fits the ebon kill too.
And stoopid gullible me. =( I knew something like this was coming off the back of ebon getting killed.
Nice work anyway impcap, if I can get one of ebon killers il be happy.
Pod, these are the quotes that give me pause.
ImpCap claims, and then a few post later you're thanking him and voting TheToad.
@ovinomanc3r yes, and in the night you picked Norell over me , so it was worth it.
Yes-- Cal is/was the red cape to Toads charging bull.
1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:CNjnja my next post are foing to be one of those you don't like. You are warned.
I can't wait. If you claim cop Ovi I'm going to laugh my @$$ off.
If you claim I'm not town I will do the same.
1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:CNjnja my next post are foing to be one of those you don't like. You are warned.
I can't wait. If you claim cop Ovi I'm going to laugh my @$$ off.
If you claim I'm not town I will do the same.
13 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:Thanks JJ. You failed when you moved to a logic puzzle instead of following the shady inputs we got all the game.
Nice try. I don't fail logic puzzles. In this case, you are scum. That's the fact.
16 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:
Pod, these are the quotes that give me pause.
ImpCap claims, and then a few post later you're thanking him and voting TheToad.
Yes i Just confirmed the first scum, likely Ovi and/or Norell is scum too in my eyes at that point. Im in a three of 5 with people that would definately vote to save their own asses, including toad who Imo would have pushed real hard for a vote on Cal, my confirmed town.
Im not sure Toad was the target for scum tho, they would have wanted him around, chasing up false leads and voting for Town.
Ok I am ready.
When JJ counterclaimed I couldn't be sure. There was weird things about JJ (he suspecting about Ebon but investigating CNinja was one) but Imp had his own.
I shared my logical whose only weak points was it depended on CNinja true alignment.
I offered a crossed investigation cause the permutations was limited.
1st. CNinja and me show up townies. It was not going to happen. It would be a bad business to scum to completely clear 2 townie with alrrasy another 1 between 2. That gave us 2/3 to lynch the scum between Cal, Toad and Pod.
2nd. CNinja and me show up scum. That was the possibility that scared me more. This way I would be sure about CNinja and JJ being scum but... how to proof that? But that didn't happen.
3rd. One scum one town. CNinja as scum didn't happen but I am going to explaining it too.
- CNinja scum, me town. Then I would say Imp lies. Think on it. If not, then CNinja is scum and JJ is scum. Why would JJ clear me when Imp's info pointed to his mate. That way we get one true scum and one true townie. No sense. Imp lying would be more logic. To the world I would be clear at least.
- CNinja town and me... scum. As soon as Imp cleared CNinja it was obvious that a true JJ would clear me (bad business to scum) or lie about me to mud the waters.
The fake cop cannot avoid that one of us would be cleared by the true cop cause he knew the true. The scum also cannot kill the cop for obvious reasons. The cleared one would be cleared by the true cop. CNinja and Imp respectively. If Imp is clear he said the true about me. And true grieve other "cop" is scum.
If JJ says the true, then Imp lied about me so why the **** he didn't lied about CNinja. We knew that JJ was going to discover the true and we could say the result first. And we didn't use our advantage? The problem was that the fake cop say that his investigations said the suspect was town so they cannot really choose. That was the mistake JJ did. He chose CNinja cause the discussions between us. They were 3 votes, they needed to buy a townie vote, better if some kind of animosity existed between him and another one, in this case one of the true cop investigations: ME.
So JJ is scum.
Pod's thing is just stupid and is there just to cast shadows.
1. There is too many incoherences between he said he did and what he did. As I quoted he linked Toad with CNjnja, no JJ and voted Toad before he voted Caldias and after Toad pointed to Norell and Cal arguing also that it was passed suspicious so he was bit sure how valid they were.
2. He gave credibility to Norell. Clever play? He not only agree with him, he started the new witch hunt and
3.he did on toad he says he has as townie. So our super prudent cop put a vote on a town to avoid the lynch of another town with three scum around he could identify at the end of the day. A single vote from CNinja would have meant town's defeat cause...
4. That was they had all the day ager Imp claimed (if he really was scum). JJ's fake claim had no sense at that point. It would have now but not then.
So Pod is scum.
Sadly I cannot be sure about Toad and Cal. I think Toad is the last scum but Pod investigation list makes me think it twice. We need to look carefully at that but the good news is that we have 2 scum to lynch.
JJ knew i was the cop =)=) oh hes angry!
Im guessing Ovi switched kills to Norell whilst JJ was asleep this morning.
@Norell you God!
Nice logic...but it all falls apart when you take away the assumption that you are town.
I didn't respond to your question ebon, since I found you were scum last night, but now I will for rebuttals sake. If you look back, you actually see I suspected Ninja BEFORE Ebon. My suspicions were moving to Ebon, but I need to clear Ninja first. I was planning on pushing Ebon more the next day when he ended up dead.
Your logic about why would Imp lie about you, but not ninja is the inverse of the logic you use to try and prove me guilty for stating the result of my investigation. Imp is trying to sway Ninja to your side of the fence. YOU are the scummy one here, not me. No matter how much you try to bend the logic to fit your claim.
It'd be nice to hear from @ImperialCaptain2017
34 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:Nice logic...but it all falls apart when you take away the assumption that you are town.
Wrong!
If I am scum, Imp is too. Imp just needed to say CNinja is scum to be sure no one is cleared. That way me and imp could argue against you and CNinja with the same "evidence" and we ended as we were yesterday.
On 3/10/2017 at 11:54 AM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:With a lot of debate, and much confusion, the candidates prove unable to see through the veils of lies to the truth, and the day ends without the death of anyone, be they mafia or town.
8 Players, 5 to hammer:
- @JJs Juggernaut (3)
ovi, Imp, Toad,Cal,Pod, Cal- @CaribbeanNinja
- @Norell
- @ImperialCaptain2017 (3) JJ, CNinja, Pod
- @TheToad
Pod- @ovinomanc3r
- @PodRacer (1) ovi
- @Caldias
Toad- Novote - (1)
Toad,Pod, Norell
Here are the votes. Two votes left to lynch you. If you were town, me and Pod would be scum. Those are two votes that would have lynched you and win the game.
It seems we just played to loose.
So it appears as if we have a Mexican stand-off... and I’m a poor sumbitch standing in the middle...
8 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:Wrong!
If I am scum, Imp is too. Imp just needed to say CNinja is scum to be sure no one is cleared. That way me and imp could argue against you and CNinja with the same "evidence" and we ended as we were yesterday.
Here are the votes. Two votes left to lynch you. If you were town, me and Pod would be scum. Those are two votes that would have lynched you and win the game.
It seems we just played to loose.
Once again you try and twist your flawed logic to throw more shade on to me.
Obviously Imp is scum, just as you are. Sure, clearing no one might be a logical scum move, but the fact that you didn't perfectly sets you up to further claim I'm the scum. Also, if Imp said Ninja was scum, it would have let Ninja know for certain that he was scum. So really, your logic doesn't apply.
Look at the votes again. You, Imp, and Pod all voted for me. And you were all voting for me at the same time as well! Only Cal's unvote kept Pod's quick attempted at a hammer from ending the game!
1 minute ago, JJs Juggernaut said:Once again you try and twist your flawed logic to throw more shade on to me.
Obviously Imp is scum, just as you are. Sure, clearing no one might be a logical scum move, but the fact that you didn't perfectly sets you up to further claim I'm the scum. Also, if Imp said Ninja was scum, it would have let Ninja know for certain that he was scum. So really, your logic doesn't apply.
Ninja knowing doesn't matter it would be just 2 votes against 3 as the base.
The logic is still sound. The best move would be to throw shade over CNinja. What he was going to say, that we were lying? Instead of that we cleared him 100% and planned Pod double fake claim.
3 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:Look at the votes again. You, Imp, and Pod all voted for me. And you were all voting for me at the same time as well! Only Cal's unvote kept Pod's quick attempted at a hammer from ending the game!
Pod unvoted after Cal. I unvoted after Cal voted again. Why not just let the vote just in case someone else hammer? There were a scum able to do (Pod) or maybe a townie changed his opinion. It doesn't matter, the fact is that even if you escaped nothing would have been discovered, you would no be clear cause you would no have flipped and a oke of the cop we knew we are not going to kill you are night. So my vote on you would have mean nothing with a no lynch and all the confusion around.
Again if I am scum, Imp and Pod are. The good moves then were to say CNinja is scum today. To keep my vote on you yesterday. And we would have get you lynched and won. Anything else has sense.
So Imp Pod and JJ... two of them are scum... and we’ve got a lurker... am I the only one sensing coordination between Ovi and Imp?
4 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:If it weren't Pod I'd question the logic on him trying to claim cop, but sometime he is just Pod.
This isn't good enough. Why would Pod claim? He's either the Doc or Scum. What did it bring to the table today?
13 minutes ago, TheToad said:So Imp Pod and JJ... two of them are scum... and we’ve got a lurker... am I the only one sensing coordination between Ovi and Imp?
No not at all.
29 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:This isn't good enough. Why would Pod claim? He's either the Doc or Scum. What did it bring to the table today?
No not at all.
Huh? I thought Oni was the doc. You mean cop, right?
Just now, Caldias said:Huh? I thought Oni was the doc. You mean cop, right?
Yeah.
On 1/10/2017 at 10:29 PM, ovinomanc3r said:Let's go.
1. We are not at LyLo. We can no vote. But I agree. We have a hard day.
2. I wouldn't lynch Norell. Even not being LyLo I think a dead cop worth lynching a scum. And the cop didn't talk yet. I let the choice to him but if we are goings to lynch an innocent and the cop knows he must talk cause otherwise we lose. Whatever, I won't vote Norell without a direct order.
3. Suspects and other thoughts:
After seeing the three non-Mad's-votes on Vis I am quite sure I was right about one scum being there. And I again blame all you for following scum's agenda. I said they were playing with us with the NorellvsVis thing and it seems I was right. But at least we have vote patterns. As I have said, CNinja, Toad and Cal, one of you is scum.
Another interesting thing is that JJ was on both wagons (with me) what should become him, and me, the scummiest player.
But what I find more interesting is the order of the votes.
Pod and JJ were the first, one per side. Onidsen (innocent) voted Visovics after. Imp, curiously, tied the thing voting Norell. If as it seems both were town, scum have no preference so they could play this kind of game. However as long as there is no difference, it would be better to avoid appear like defending a no-lynch. So better following the mainstream (Vis had two voted and CNinja already said he was going to vote him) so Imp's vote looks clean to me (not completely but more than any other but mine). Vis'vote is irrelevant now and the left fell on Vis with Norell not voting.
In a situation where scum were playing with to choices pushing wherever they needed (and it seems irrelevant where they did) the break vote (4th) was a bad place to hide themselves. That's vote was Cal (congratulations, you looks less scummy today). That let the other five positions (1,2,3, 5 and hammer).
Hammer is not a good place either but also has a good excuse but it doesn't matter here cause it was me.
Position 5. CNinja. That's is similar to hammer. The logic is just the opposite. It seems clean cause doesn't hammer but it is also a way to evade responsabilities.
Both positions are not awesome cause the thing could go 50-50 depending on the guts of the voters.
Position 2. Oni was innocent and I already talked about Imp.
Position 3. Hi Toad! Did you felt comfortable there? Vis was innocent and cannot vote someone else.
NOTE: I need to check which vote fell before.
Position 1. Here is the most interesting to me cause is a dammed good place. My theory says that scum planed to build a debate between Norell and Vis. And they would push wherever they needed. So, why not place the first votes and let the town choose. That's even more logic if both choices are town. The third scum could actually put his mouth wherever in a non-responsible position cause it doesn't matter at the end.
JJ and Pod as scum have quite sense to me. I could be undoubtedly wrong but that's what I look. As the third scum I woild say Toad.
JJ and Pod was on Mad. Toad was one who didn't.
I would need to check the thread again and look carefully the relations and interactions but from the votes that's what I read.
And about JJ, Pod and Toad, specially against me lately?
I could point those three names and drive the game to them as a genius but I couldn't get JJ lynched yesterday. That's hilarious. It looks like I was spot reading Vic-Norell **** and they desperately started to move against me, specially when the true cop cleared me. The town trusting the only guy who manage to find all you is quite dangerous.
If Pod is right scum didn't need a second fake claim to end the game. We would have lynched Toad easily (or someone else) as there was an agreement that guarantee two scum votes between the last ones (imp and mine).
If JJ is right scum would have lynched him yesterday.
If I am the only one that see this things you worried me, seriously.
56 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:This isn't good enough. Why would Pod claim? He's either the Doc or Scum. What did it bring to the table today?
I don't think you've been reading my post carefully, I've stated several times that Pod's claim means he is scum, there is no reason a town would do that. It also makes no sense from a scum perspective, but that's what I can write off as Pod being Pod.